Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

[BLUE]

All three events I talked about were different patients with different doctors/families.

[Soulkiss333]

It would be nice in a perfect world guys but doesn't always happen.

Now what would you do if someone's grandma is dieing and the family doesn't want her to know/ it has something to do with their culture and grandma speaks no english. They want her to keep fighting. She thinks she has a really bad cold and can't breathe. We know its the end stages of lung cancer.

this is about ethnics (took classes on business ethnics)
the patient always has the right to know what is wrong with them...no one has the right to not tell the truth...if I have a medical condition it is my right to know and no one even family has the right keep it from me...ethnics. She speaks no English get a translator. It might be a culture thing but in America it is the patient right to know and to work in a medical business to make an ethical decision it is to the patient and telling them the truth.

[*~*Isis*~*]

I'm back with a new question Hope no one's asked it already (if they have I guess I'll refresh it)...

What's the craziest/stupidest thing you've ever been scared of?...

This question was inspired by an edition of "Sunday Morning" I watched one weekend, a portion of whose content will serve as my answer. The show featured a segment on the artist Joan Miro. I watched as several of his works flashed across the screen, and was horrified to discover that one of them was a painting I had been scared of for years.

Yeah, that's pretty nutty, right?...Like most irrational fears this one started when I was a kid, probably about 10. I remember my parents had the World Book Encyclopedia; one day I decided to flip through the P volume of the encyclopedia, being the curious child I was, when I saw an extremely disturbing painting. As soon as I saw it, I shut the book in terror. LOL.

I don't know the name of it, and I'm kind of afraid to describe the painting's details. At 30, I'm still terrified of that painting. A lot of Miro's work is disturbing in general, but this one... *shudders*

[MissWong]

Blue, I was only discussing the first doctor reference you typed about, none of the others. Do you know the information I asked on that doctor/patient?

[BLUE]

On the doctor patient issue. Did the patient know their doctor had that point of view in advance, how long has that doctor had that patient under their care? This is why you should interview for doctors and get one that mirrors your own beliefs. The patients wishes would come first, if they are unable to make their wishes known, there would be a family member, spouse or some guardian who would step in and make their choices known.

Sorry I missed it sweetie. I actually don't know how long they have been going that particular doctor. I don't believe the doctor has talked with anyone about his actual beliefs. It has just been through dealing with many of their patients that we have come to understand this. As for a family member stepping in, people need to make sure the person they choose will respect their wishes in the end. Many times these chosen people will in fact break under the stress and not be able to let their loved one go.

[Nostalgic]

It would be nice in a perfect world guys but doesn't always happen.

Now what would you do if someone's grandma is dieing and the family doesn't want her to know/ it has something to do with their culture and grandma speaks no english. They want her to keep fighting. She thinks she has a really bad cold and can't breathe. We know its the end stages of lung cancer.

this is about ethnics (took classes on business ethnics)
the patient always has the right to know what is wrong with them...no one has the right to not tell the truth...if I have a medical condition it is my right to know and no one even family has the right keep it from me...ethnics. She speaks no English get a translator. It might be a culture thing but in America it is the patient right to know and to work in a medical business to make an ethical decision it is to the patient and telling them the truth.

I agree with Soul,
I think the patient should be told.

[KRSTY]

Hi all,
This is a tough subject for me. I have a son that is 23 this year. His dad and I split up when he was a baby and since we were not married we agreed to share custody, but my son's dad wanted to live in Utah. Well to make a long story short, after a few trades in caring for our son, the father decided to leave to another state and not tell me where they were. I finally tracked my son down about 4 years later, but it didn't seem that he knew who I was. By that time, I had other kids and was married. I lost contact with my oldest son again until last year. I found him through an attorney and I contacted him. He came to Ca. to stay with me for a while but the whole family started noticing and had a hard time dealing with some of his behavior. I learned that he had attended 27 elementary schools while his dad was on the run and that he was a 15 year old runaway. He had pretty much lived on the streets or with friends from 15 until the time that we met. He, at one time had a serious drug addiction and was able to get clean, he also confided that he was gay. I made a huge mistake of flying him to Ca. within about 2 weeks after I first made contact with him. Neither one of us were prepared psychologically to deal with the whole 21 years of separation and when he started to display some really worrying behavior and acting out, I became worried for the welfare of my other sons. None of us cared that he was gay at all and that was not my concern as far as the acting out, however since 2 of my sons were underage at the time, I couldn't allow him to stay at my home anymore. He had earned some money while here in California, and I told him he had to leave. That I would just not put up with what was going on. He went back to Utah, where he had lived most of his life. (yes he was raised Mormon) Obviously he separated from the Church.
We had a few more arguments over the phone and I told him that his life had pretty much been a lie. One lie after another was how his dad justified basically kidnapping him and dragging him all over the country to keep me from finding him. I had tried to explain that his life had a huge impact on him and how he saw the world and how he kind of used people to get by. (this was one of the behaviors that I was really concerned with) Anyway we ended our new found relationship with him saying that I owed his dad money for all the years that he raised him. That was the last straw for me! At least until we both had time to think things through and find a mediator to facilitate a more healthy relationship and boundaries for each of us to respect.(another one of my concerns) He told me he would not talk to me again until I spoke to his father. I was absolutely not going to talk to his father as I felt he had no right to my life now, no right to ask how I was or to even try to explain himself. To me there was no excuse good enough to not know where my child was or if he was dead or alive all these years.
So we quit talking for almost a year as the only number he had for me to contact him was his dad's number. About 2 months ago I had a dreadful feeling that something was wrong and that I needed to contact him. One of those gut feeling's only a mother could have. I got a message to his LGBT counselor at the LGBT center in Utah. My son called me later that evening and I told him that I knew something was wrong. He said he had recently tested positive for HIV and that he was the last patient on a list to receive free or low cost services and treatment. I was devastated, but I never let him hear sorrow in my voice. I stayed strong for his sake and knew that he would come through and we discussed treatments and his living situation. He had started a small advertising business using a system like money mailers, only all his employees were also HIV and Aids patients that were well enough to work 10 to 20 hours a week. I was so proud of him, because even though we were having difficulties before, I was so impressed with his determination to survive and create a small business that would give back to people in need and someone to believe in them. One treatment my son was trying to get was the bariatric chamber treatment like Magic Johnson had. I knew that HIV and Aids treatment had come a long way, but thank you so much Shar for sharing that info.

I hope that in the future I can report better news about him and our relationship. Thanks R&R posters too for being open minded on this subject.
KRSTY

So here is an update.

I talked to my son for about 2 hours tonight. We have only had a few conversations since I posted the original post above. He has come to terms with a lot of things that were told to him, and I got a text from him today that said in shortened words, " I am coming to terms with all the lies and my Aunts are slowly letting the truth come out."

Meaning, they are finally telling him how his dad threatened their life if they told me where my son was.

He seems to be getting his act together. He did some time in jail for something he was supposed to take care of 2 or 3 years ago (just before we met each other again) He turned himself in, which was the right thing to do, and what I told him to do before his dad butted in and told him to buy a cheap car first. He is going into a treatment center for about 6 weeks so he can stay clean and get treatment for his HIV. Not sure what his viral counts are at this time, but they were pretty low before he turned himself in. I think that his aunts coming clean with some facts is stressful, but probably somethings that he has suspected for a long time. He wants me to talk to them, for his sake, and I'm O.K. with that. Forgiving his father though is a whole another story. After he is clean and doing better with his viral counts, he has an opportunity to work for an aerospace company that manufactures a special product for rockets and space.

[BLUE]

I am changing it up a bit. I am not offering a situation or news clip but a person. Ladies and Gentlemen, for your consideration I offer you Peter. I have often wondered about him and would like your thoughts.

Peter is a man I have worked with for around 2 years now and these are the things that I know about him. He appears to be very nice. Very Nice. Almost too nice but he seems to have something off about him that I cannot pin down. He is 46 and nobody is to know how old he is. Seems to be some secret but I don't know why. He still lives with his mom. I am not sure if his dad is still alive or not, as I only hear about the mother. He has never been married. Very religious, so I think the sex thing has never happened for this man. So religious he travels to Chicago to hear a service given in Latin once a month. I am not sure he has ever been grocery shopping or anything I would normally do. His best friend, a woman, has never seen the inside of his house. They have been friends for over 20 years. The one time she stopped by, he met her in the drive way. Now she knows his whole family. Very nice people I guess. When at work he seems to have the attention span of an 8 year old boy. He will ask me to show him how to do something in the computer, get distracted and then ask screen by screen "now where did you go?" I have shown him the same things once a month now forever. He will ask me the same questions over and over again. I am not sure if he just wants me to do it for him or what. He sees me drinking green tea and asks if I like it. I tell him yes and that it is good for you. He will ask me what All of the benefits are from drinking green tea. I am supposed to know all the answers all the time. I have given up and started answering "I don't know." It takes 3 "I don't knows." until he finally gives up. He acts like I am his mother even though I am younger than him. I know he only does this to the women and not to the men, as I have heard other girls talking. Peter is nothing less than irritating but I don't want to make him angry. There is just something creepy about him. His smile is plastic. He thinks John Wayne (serial killer) could have never done the things they say he did. That his is not a bad guy

So I don't know. He seems very innocent and saint like. It still wouldn't surprise me to find him standing in a corner waiting to stab in the neck with a needle. Saint or Serial Killer??

[LifeChanges]

He clearly has poor people skills. Serial killers are very likable people, the kind of neighbor that lives next door. "Oh, he was always so nice. I never would have known." Maybe he has ADD?

[BLUE]

Everyone thinks he is a nice guy. It's just when he thinks I am his mom that I shut down. Otherwise....nice dude.

He reminds me of Norman Bates.

[cap1015]

I am changing it up a bit. I am not offering a situation or news clip but a person. Ladies and Gentlemen, for your consideration I offer you Peter. I have often wondered about him and would like your thoughts.

Peter is a man I have worked with for around 2 years now and these are the things that I know about him. He appears to be very nice. Very Nice. Almost too nice but he seems to have something off about him that I cannot pin down. He is 46 and nobody is to know how old he is. Seems to be some secret but I don't know why. He still lives with his mom. I am not sure if his dad is still alive or not, as I only hear about the mother. He has never been married. Very religious, so I think the sex thing has never happened for this man. So religious he travels to Chicago to hear a service given in Latin once a month. I am not sure he has ever been grocery shopping or anything I would normally do. His best friend, a woman, has never seen the inside of his house. They have been friends for over 20 years. The one time she stopped by, he met her in the drive way. Now she knows his whole family. Very nice people I guess. When at work he seems to have the attention span of an 8 year old boy. He will ask me to show him how to do something in the computer, get distracted and then ask screen by screen "now where did you go?" I have shown him the same things once a month now forever. He will ask me the same questions over and over again. I am not sure if he just wants me to do it for him or what. He sees me drinking green tea and asks if I like it. I tell him yes and that it is good for you. He will ask me what All of the benefits are from drinking green tea. I am supposed to know all the answers all the time. I have given up and started answering "I don't know." It takes 3 "I don't knows." until he finally gives up. He acts like I am his mother even though I am younger than him. I know he only does this to the women and not to the men, as I have heard other girls talking. Peter is nothing less than irritating but I don't want to make him angry. There is just something creepy about him. His smile is plastic. He thinks John Wayne (serial killer) could have never done the things they say he did. That his is not a bad guy

So I don't know. He seems very innocent and saint like. It still wouldn't surprise me to find him standing in a corner waiting to stab in the neck with a needle. Saint or Serial Killer??

First what does he do at your work and how in the heck did he get a job if he is this unskilled?


While this guy may just be a person who was basically ruined by overprotective parents and/or was never allowed or forced from the nest and therefore is unable to function as an adult. He exhibits some troubling traits. I think his questioning is his only way of knowing how to communicate and/or he has learned that questions get responses so he follows this pattern to “force” normal/nice/female into conversations. His not knowing or understanding his job may also be a ruse in that he uses this again to create situations where communication by other people is required. While he may be a harmless, introvert who is just lacking experience and has never been provided access to people skills, he has some traits that are a little concerning:


Extremely troubling characteristics:

His defense and denial regarding John Wayne Gacey (that he would even discuss this hints at either his knowledge/understanding of the case, which would be odd for someone so apparently religious or shows that he has some vested interest in this person and/or actions. There is some fascinating information on serial killer fandom/worship and the profiling of such on the web, in books).

His actions toward women and deference to men (this may simply that he has learned women are nicer to him and/or he relates to them as he does his mom, or he’s so socially retarded he can’t understand. Lastly he may just be a creep).

His reliance and dependence on his mother/family for simple day-to-day support functions. (many times this masks serious psychological damage done to him by his mother/father, many times not intentially but just as damaging. If his parents were so adamant at over protection and/or limiting his social growth, their methods of delaying him growing up may have resulted in some serious mental issues.

The Fake smile, the hiding of his age and the commitment to the religious rites/services, indicate he understands perception and also may be somewhat reliant on religious rites for confirmation of completion of some type of routine.

I could go on but I’m sure you’re bored by now.

The part I’m confused about is, in re-reading this several times I don’t see anything that hints at him being a saint, nothing that even hints at him even being a nice guy. I just see either socially awkward person or complete nut-job…………………..as always is I’m wrong I have no problem owning up to it.

Speaking of Norman Bates, don’t take any shower s at work!

[BLUE]

Not bored Cap. Fascinated

Peter is our sleep study tech. He seems to know a lot when it comes to his field. He's best friend runs the sleep lab. It is just all the simple things, like the computer, that he can't seem to grasp. He acts more like a priest than all of the priests I know. I can't explain it. He is like guy from the movie Blast From the Past...only with a creepy side. He is so very stealthy also. Being in the department when I didn't know he was there. Scared the heck out of me and I am not the only one.

I think when his momma dies....Norman Bates. :

[tropicalheatwave]

When at work he seems to have the attention span of an 8 year old boy. He will ask me to show him how to do something in the computer, get distracted and then ask screen by screen "now where did you go?" I have shown him the same things once a month now forever. He will ask me the same questions over and over again. I am not sure if he just wants me to do it for him or what.

i agree with LC. these seem to be symptoms of ADD. i have a personal experience with that. it was very difficult for me to keep a job because of it and school was hard for me to. i use to take Adderall, and it worked. but then i went threw some what of a rebellious period when i was about 25 so i stopped taking it. even while reading the forums, i'll read 3 sentences, then my mind will wonder, then i'll reread it again. but then again it could be a ploy on his part.

Very religious, so I think the sex thing has never happened for this man. So religious he travels to Chicago to hear a service given in Latin once a month.

i don't see anything wrong with this.

He is 46 and nobody is to know how old he is. Seems to be some secret but I don't know why. He still lives with his mom.

i had a relative who lived with his mom until he was about 50, he is very religious too but he was a cool person to chill with.

He sees me drinking green tea and asks if I like it. I tell him yes and that it is good for you. He will ask me what All of the benefits are from drinking green tea. I am supposed to know all the answers all the time. I have given up and started answering "I don't know." It takes 3 "I don't knows." until he finally gives up. He acts like I am his mother even though I am younger than him. I know he only does this to the women and not to the men, as I have heard other girls talking. Peter is nothing less than irritating but I don't want to make him angry. There is just something creepy about him. His smile is plastic. He thinks John Wayne (serial killer) could have never done the things they say he did. That his is not a bad guy

it could be that he sees you as a nice person and wants to befriend you but lacks communication skills. but if you feel he's creepy then i would just keep a watchful eye on him and avoid him as much as possible. he could be the stalker type.

[JessicaBunny]

I'm back with a new question Hope no one's asked it already (if they have I guess I'll refresh it)...

What's the craziest/stupidest thing you've ever been scared of?...

This question was inspired by an edition of "Sunday Morning" I watched one weekend, a portion of whose content will serve as my answer. The show featured a segment on the artist Joan Miro. I watched as several of his works flashed across the screen, and was horrified to discover that one of them was a painting I had been scared of for years.

Yeah, that's pretty nutty, right?...Like most irrational fears this one started when I was a kid, probably about 10. I remember my parents had the World Book Encyclopedia; one day I decided to flip through the P volume of the encyclopedia, being the curious child I was, when I saw an extremely disturbing painting. As soon as I saw it, I shut the book in terror. LOL.

I don't know the name of it, and I'm kind of afraid to describe the painting's details. At 30, I'm still terrified of that painting. A lot of Miro's work is disturbing in general, but this one... *shudders*

i used to be scared of the toilet, lol? hahaha when little and first being trained, i guess i thought it would suck me down it and i'd never see my family again. . . i was hard to potty train i am guessing i wonder why that painting scared you so much, isis. i never liked seeing clown paintings i always thought they were creepy.

[JessicaBunny]

I am changing it up a bit. I am not offering a situation or news clip but a person. Ladies and Gentlemen, for your consideration I offer you Peter. I have often wondered about him and would like your thoughts.

Peter is a man I have worked with for around 2 years now and these are the things that I know about him. He appears to be very nice. Very Nice. Almost too nice but he seems to have something off about him that I cannot pin down. He is 46 and nobody is to know how old he is. Seems to be some secret but I don't know why. He still lives with his mom. I am not sure if his dad is still alive or not, as I only hear about the mother. He has never been married. Very religious, so I think the sex thing has never happened for this man. So religious he travels to Chicago to hear a service given in Latin once a month. I am not sure he has ever been grocery shopping or anything I would normally do. His best friend, a woman, has never seen the inside of his house. They have been friends for over 20 years. The one time she stopped by, he met her in the drive way. Now she knows his whole family. Very nice people I guess. When at work he seems to have the attention span of an 8 year old boy. He will ask me to show him how to do something in the computer, get distracted and then ask screen by screen "now where did you go?" I have shown him the same things once a month now forever. He will ask me the same questions over and over again. I am not sure if he just wants me to do it for him or what. He sees me drinking green tea and asks if I like it. I tell him yes and that it is good for you. He will ask me what All of the benefits are from drinking green tea. I am supposed to know all the answers all the time. I have given up and started answering "I don't know." It takes 3 "I don't knows." until he finally gives up. He acts like I am his mother even though I am younger than him. I know he only does this to the women and not to the men, as I have heard other girls talking. Peter is nothing less than irritating but I don't want to make him angry. There is just something creepy about him. His smile is plastic. He thinks John Wayne (serial killer) could have never done the things they say he did. That his is not a bad guy

So I don't know. He seems very innocent and saint like. It still wouldn't surprise me to find him standing in a corner waiting to stab in the neck with a needle. Saint or Serial Killer??

if nobody is to know his age why do you think he told you his age, he obviously trusts you more than others he works with? he sounds shy and maybe a bit of a recluse too. . . i think the living at home makes him have some stigma attached from society my friends would prob think child molester over serial killer on that fact. i know it is horrible to judge people on simple life choices. . . the only thing i find weird is he treats you like his mom, but he is older than you and he still lives with his mom, so he doesn't need to find a new mommy attachment he still lives with his i'd say he isn't a saint, or a serial killer, only peculiar.

[Jeff_in_Time]

Hi all,
This is a tough subject for me. I have a son that is 23 this year. His dad and I split up when he was a baby and since we were not married we agreed to share custody, but my son's dad wanted to live in Utah. Well to make a long story short, after a few trades in caring for our son, the father decided to leave to another state and not tell me where they were. I finally tracked my son down about 4 years later, but it didn't seem that he knew who I was. By that time, I had other kids and was married. I lost contact with my oldest son again until last year. I found him through an attorney and I contacted him. He came to Ca. to stay with me for a while but the whole family started noticing and had a hard time dealing with some of his behavior. I learned that he had attended 27 elementary schools while his dad was on the run and that he was a 15 year old runaway. He had pretty much lived on the streets or with friends from 15 until the time that we met. He, at one time had a serious drug addiction and was able to get clean, he also confided that he was gay. I made a huge mistake of flying him to Ca. within about 2 weeks after I first made contact with him. Neither one of us were prepared psychologically to deal with the whole 21 years of separation and when he started to display some really worrying behavior and acting out, I became worried for the welfare of my other sons. None of us cared that he was gay at all and that was not my concern as far as the acting out, however since 2 of my sons were underage at the time, I couldn't allow him to stay at my home anymore. He had earned some money while here in California, and I told him he had to leave. That I would just not put up with what was going on. He went back to Utah, where he had lived most of his life. (yes he was raised Mormon) Obviously he separated from the Church.
We had a few more arguments over the phone and I told him that his life had pretty much been a lie. One lie after another was how his dad justified basically kidnapping him and dragging him all over the country to keep me from finding him. I had tried to explain that his life had a huge impact on him and how he saw the world and how he kind of used people to get by. (this was one of the behaviors that I was really concerned with) Anyway we ended our new found relationship with him saying that I owed his dad money for all the years that he raised him. That was the last straw for me! At least until we both had time to think things through and find a mediator to facilitate a more healthy relationship and boundaries for each of us to respect.(another one of my concerns) He told me he would not talk to me again until I spoke to his father. I was absolutely not going to talk to his father as I felt he had no right to my life now, no right to ask how I was or to even try to explain himself. To me there was no excuse good enough to not know where my child was or if he was dead or alive all these years.
So we quit talking for almost a year as the only number he had for me to contact him was his dad's number. About 2 months ago I had a dreadful feeling that something was wrong and that I needed to contact him. One of those gut feeling's only a mother could have. I got a message to his LGBT counselor at the LGBT center in Utah. My son called me later that evening and I told him that I knew something was wrong. He said he had recently tested positive for HIV and that he was the last patient on a list to receive free or low cost services and treatment. I was devastated, but I never let him hear sorrow in my voice. I stayed strong for his sake and knew that he would come through and we discussed treatments and his living situation. He had started a small advertising business using a system like money mailers, only all his employees were also HIV and Aids patients that were well enough to work 10 to 20 hours a week. I was so proud of him, because even though we were having difficulties before, I was so impressed with his determination to survive and create a small business that would give back to people in need and someone to believe in them. One treatment my son was trying to get was the bariatric chamber treatment like Magic Johnson had. I knew that HIV and Aids treatment had come a long way, but thank you so much Shar for sharing that info.

I hope that in the future I can report better news about him and our relationship. Thanks R&R posters too for being open minded on this subject.
KRSTY

So here is an update.

I talked to my son for about 2 hours tonight. We have only had a few conversations since I posted the original post above. He has come to terms with a lot of things that were told to him, and I got a text from him today that said in shortened words, " I am coming to terms with all the lies and my Aunts are slowly letting the truth come out."

Meaning, they are finally telling him how his dad threatened their life if they told me where my son was.

He seems to be getting his act together. He did some time in jail for something he was supposed to take care of 2 or 3 years ago (just before we met each other again) He turned himself in, which was the right thing to do, and what I told him to do before his dad butted in and told him to buy a cheap car first. He is going into a treatment center for about 6 weeks so he can stay clean and get treatment for his HIV. Not sure what his viral counts are at this time, but they were pretty low before he turned himself in. I think that his aunts coming clean with some facts is stressful, but probably somethings that he has suspected for a long time. He wants me to talk to them, for his sake, and I'm O.K. with that. Forgiving his father though is a whole another story. After he is clean and doing better with his viral counts, he has an opportunity to work for an aerospace company that manufactures a special product for rockets and space.

Great news, K. About the talk and him getting his life in order.
Is he in good health, I'm thinking if his HIV wasn't being treated.
Hope he gets that job too. Wtg.

Do you have the old account back again? and where is jojo at? Use to seeing you both posting around.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Thanks Jeff. I'm hoping that he does get it together, but only time will tell. His health is not great, but I think his viral count is still low. He needs to spend some time in rehab before the treatments can start. The team that is funding and administrating this low income program need to make sure he is clean before they are willing to start his treatment. Understandably.

Yes! I did get my account back. TY

I don't know what's up with jojo. I wish I did know though. I miss her and Shara.

[Soulkiss333]

@Krsty...I hope y'all the best.

@ Trop...wow you must really hate my posts..haha

@Blue
first thing that came to my mind is Autism. The most noticeable trait of Autism is impaired social interactions otherwise they seem normal.Of course there are a wide range/degrees of Autism...some are quite independent while others cant cope with the outside world at all. It can happen at any age not just something you are born with and it is found 4x in males than females. Autism people can be very good at certain things but socially or even simply things they are not. Remember Rain man...a genius at counting (math) but couldnt even dress himself (of course most autism isnt that extreme but there are some like that). Most ppl with Autism does need to be taken care of to a certain degree...it wouldnt be unusually for him to live with his mother. They tend to repeat things/say stuff over and over again (like him with you asking how to do something) or they have a narrow of topics they like to talk about. Most lack empathy and are very social awkward because they avoid eye contact or at least have a hard time maintaining eye contact most of the time and doesnt read social cues like face expression or tone of voice, gestures...we all do it w/o thinking about it (about 90-80% of communication for regular ppl is non-verbal.. it is body language, tone etc)...it goes right over their heads and they dont understand how other ppl feel or think.


Symptoms for Adults (now note, a lot ppl dont even know that have it...usually it will be a small degree...some older ones learn to fake it like smiling, being social even tho they are still really bad at it)
- Few Friendships or Relationships (poor listening skills, not getting social cues...friendship is hard but romantic relationship is almost impossible or are very very difficult.
- Non-Verbal Communication Challenges...they dont get jokes, smiling is a challenge for them etc.
-Sensory Processing Disorderb (SPD) (could be why he doesnt interact with males..or ppl into the house)
- Lack of Empathy and Shared Perspective....Many individuals with autism struggle to understand the perspectives of others, and this can lead to a lack of empathy. It also makes it difficult for autistic adults to share another person's interest in a topic. This could also tie in with the whole John Wayne thing...he missing the cues or because he is religious he may think ppl are good but the guy (John) was possessed and it was the devil that is bad...but he may not know how to related that...it is hard to say what he means by that if he really does have a degree of autism most likely is a miscommunication because he lacks what you mean or your perspective.
- Preoccupation with Certain Items or Topics
- Repetitive and Stereotyped Behaviors (this can be the hallmark of Autism)
- Need for Routine
-- Dislike of travel
-- Refusal to try new foods or restaurants
-- Following the same schedule every day
--Feeling great discomfort when you need to deviate from your routine
-- Difficulty changing plans
-- Following the same route to get from one place to another
-Verbal Communication Problems
- Savant Skills....about 10% have a savant skills..This means that they excel in a particular area, such as mathematics, music, or history. Autistic adults may have exceptional memories, allowing them to remember entire chapters and books of information.
-Sleep Problems and Anxiety

I could go into more detail like the attention span...they arent into a lot of topics...very few (which they love and know a lot about) they can seem to lose interest or start acting like you are not even there.Not letting ppl in the house could be a sensory disorder (SPD) or it is disruptive to their patterns/routines in life. A person with SPD may over-respond to sensation and find clothing, physical contact, light, sound, food, or other sensory input to be unbearable or have no response to stuff.

Remember there is different degrees of it...but that is what it sounds like to me. His lack of verbal or social skills is why it may seem like he treats you like his mother...he doesnt have many friends or communicate with a lot of ppl for a long time except for his mother...it is what he knows. he has his one lady friend and his mother and not too many others. Autism ppl can SEEM a little strange to us, they might not let you into their house even if you do know them for 20 plus years...they are funny about stuff like that, they fixated on things. Tho, he does kinda have a serial killer profile (tho most of the time they can interact with ppl they just keep to themselves). but he also has other profiles too like autism...very few ppl are serial killers so that wouldnt be my first assumption...that just seem like a really harsh label to give someone.

Also I have a friend that when she was 14 got into a car accident and her short term memory was forever damage. she needs to be taken care of, and sometimes she just smiles because her social skills lacks and when she doesnt know what to do or gets confused she smiles and yes it looks fake..but hey it is how she copes when she gets confused. She is in her late 20s now and she still acts like a teen a lot of times...but she can keep a job and work just fine wouldnt even know there was something wrong with her...until you have a long conversation with her than it becomes noticeable...he could of have something like that happen.

The one thing I found is strange..not really him but the whole Service in Latin thing (like I said Autism can fixate on things and religion could be one of those things and he doesnt question it...like a lot of ppl) Not bother by that he is religious but the whole Latin thing...The bible was written in Hebrew not Latin...why in movies do they always put Latin in the bible what in the hell does the bible (God or Devil) have to do with Latin...makes no sense. When and where did we come up with the idea that demons speak in Latin or stuff like that. Oh I just did a google search...Latin was the 3rd language it was translated in..first Hebrew (old testament) then Greek (New Testament) and then Latin, then English next was German and now many languages. I also just learn that during the time when it was written in Latin it was during the scary history of the Church...when they were really mean, forcing ppl to repent or put them to death/torture etc..church had all power...maybe that is why they use Latin esp in movies when demons talks.

[Dorn]

the whole Latin thing...The bible was written in Hebrew not Latin...why in movies do they always put Latin in the bible what in the hell does the bible (God or Devil) have to do with Latin...makes no sense.

The Bible's Latin Vulgate, the lingua franca of the Roman Empire, just appears lofty from our perspective. To 4th century Roman subjects, it was the vernacular.

I also just learn that during the time when it was written in Latin it was during the scary history of the Church...when they were really mean, forcing ppl to repent or put them to death/torture etc..church had all power...maybe that is why they use Latin esp in movies when demons talks.

Roman Catholics still believe in demonic possession, exorcism, witchery, and other superstitions, which the rest of us know how to exploit for the sake of entertainment.

[Soulkiss333]

Yes, that is what I was reading about, Bible's Latin Vulgate and the Latin Fathers. Now my mom's side are all Catholics but I wasnt really raised Catholic I was Southern Baptist, so we didnt do anything in Latin. Anyway, why would there be services in Latin, today? (if you know or have an idea)..is it different teaching...like I know the Hebrew is quite different than what we have today...things are taken out, mistranslated etc..when things get translated there is a lot of room for error...like the game telephone...have 10 ppl whisper a little phrase in the first person's ear and so on but the time it reaches the last person the phrase is totally different and that is within the same language. My point is that is it cause they feel it is more accurate in the teaching...or something else. I cant imagine a lot of ppl speaking Latin to be able to give whole sermons in it every month and have the ppl actually understand it (except doctors, scientists, and maybe scholar for Catholics). Do Catholics believe that deities speak in Latin or it that Hollywood?

@Blue, so this guy speaks Latin?

[Dorn]

... why would there be services in Latin, today?

The most honest answer I could find was presented by St. Joseph's Catholic Church: "We have kept the [traditional] Latin Mass because it is the Catholic thing to do."

I cant imagine a lot of ppl speaking Latin to be able to give whole sermons in it every month and have the ppl actually understand it (except doctors, scientists, and maybe scholar for Catholics).

Latin Mass united people of various nations under a universal language. So even if people, in general, didn't speak Latin, it was the Gold Standard for all dealings regarding the Holy Spirit.

Do Catholics believe that deities speak in Latin or it that Hollywood?

The latter.

[tsetse22]

imo Catholicism is, for various reasons the most mystic Christian denomination.

Praying to the Saint's, Latin, incense, Gregorian chant's... I could go on and on.
Supernatural, super weird. I was raised Catholic until I was 8 or 9. Irish don't ya know.

[Dorn]

imo Catholicism is, for various reasons the most mystic Christian denomination.

I agree. And hadn't it been for its reliance on authoritative popery, I would convert. You see, I find it quite disheartening to see a hierarchy of cardinals and bishops demand its followers to act or vote or think in a certain way, using their full political power to this end.

So until the separation of church and state, of religion and politics, overtakes the Holy See, redecorating that miniature state into a state museum, I will remain a polemic foe.

[BLUE]

Soulie, I am not sure if he speaks Latin or not.

I wanted to thank you all for your input on Peter. In looking at him now, I think one of you hit it right on the head. Although once his momma dies I still don't want to be around

[JessicaBunny]

^ hopefully his mom dies of natural causes, since you said he reminds you of norman bates. i think some people just are not good socializers.

i noticed in the old think thank thread before they had a thing were people would assign names or animals to other poster's. . . i thought it might be fun to assign book titles or movie titles or song titles to various poster's, look through the membership top down and pick poster's and give them title that matches them best. it's a thinker activity. . . lots of members are still absent but don't neglect them.

i'll do a few & add later. I might change some of these as I think on them, lol.

guardian: movie title : braveheart ( brave, fearless, a leader)

yoshi: song title: don't worry, be happy (he seems very positive)

blue: song title: walking on sunshine ( is positive too)

shara: book/movie title: eat pray love ( she has a gentle loving nature)

operatormike: song title: peace train ( is spiritual)

soulkiss: song title: lose yourself ( is free, not fearful, adventurous )

someone can do mine, gg, bubby's, tsetse, jeff's, cap's, jeremy's, krsty, st d, nos and on and on. . . either pick a song, book or movie title. was harder to do than i thought.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Hmmmm, I'm game, but I'll have to come back and post after I work some out. I likey.

[Yoshi13]

JessicaBunny: Song Title: Bubbly. (Seems bubbly and happy all the time)

Jeff: Song Title: Down to earth (well.. it explains itself)

Bubby: Song title: Bubbly (again, for the same reasons.


sorry KRSTYSTLCLR, i stole some of them. lol

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Thant's O.K. Yoshi.

Here are a few that came to me tonight. I'm going with a Rock and Roll theme.

GG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQswfILThsY&feature=related

Guardian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VD3pBTK0oA&feature=related I fricking love this intro.

Trop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzrXc68gNjQ

Soulie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHFmWtiEHYw&feature=fvwrel * Just a note Soulie, I could not find a vid for this, but Joan Still Rocks. Not that I think you are LB, but just her attitude.

I hope you are o.k. with theses everyone.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Irrevocable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCX3ZNDZAwY

BLUEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rXhXLsNJL8&feature=list_other&playnext=1&list=AL94UKMTqg-9DGTALjUuVBbC0KOg44d6r7

TSE TSE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlJxDgONeDQ&feature=related

[LifeChanges]

Thanks for posting the links Krsty, I listened to them getting ready for school this morning You went old school on us.

[Guardian7347]

Irrevocable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCX3ZNDZAwY

BLUEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rXhXLsNJL8&feature=list_other&playnext=1&list=AL94UKMTqg-9DGTALjUuVBbC0KOg44d6r7

TSE TSE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlJxDgONeDQ&feature=related

Love it! Grew up on bon jovi, so that's awesome!

[Yoshi13]

I can somewhat play wanted dead or alive on the guitar, and I can ssing it too lol

[Soulkiss333]

@JB I guess that is the Eminem song (I thought it was the song just lose it at first)...I am not really into rap but I do love the chorus to that song and agree with it 100%.

You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo
(You better)
You can do anything you set your mind to, man

Yup, that sounds like me!

@Krsty
That song follows me everywhere..lol, it funny that you pick that one. It has found me on here too. I love Joan by the way...I can kinda look like her too, as I was looking at that video not as tough looking tho. I like it. I am glad everyone has pick songs for me...as I am a music person.

I will try to do some but I need to think about it first...who hasnt been done
Krsty, nos, cap, starr, LC, Jus, St.D, seale, Xwikki, Vul,some of the newer ppl I dont know very well yet but maybe try to think of some.

[Guardian7347]

I can somewhat play wanted dead or alive on the guitar, and I can ssing it too lol

Then you have good taste in music! lol

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Glad everyone likes them thus far. It was kind of nice listening to them too, so I just posted links. I have a few more, but I'll give others a chance to post some first.

[tropicalheatwave]

jeff http://youtu.be/dOHZOUjOwWE

LC http://youtu.be/_y2YR3Iei2M

Nos http://youtu.be/cMWWBigvbkY

Krsty http://youtu.be/MYIebPnjHgE

[Yoshi13]

I can somewhat play wanted dead or alive on the guitar, and I can ssing it too lol

Then you have good taste in music! lol

Well... christopher daughtry is my favorite singer, and like everyone I know hates him. Lol. I love bon jovi!

[LifeChanges]

LC http://youtu.be/_y2YR3Iei2M

That's weird, I woke up with this in my head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTNgcl2WEJw
I think your pick describes me pretty well, not one of my favorite Gwen Stefani songs though.

[LifeChanges]

jeff http://youtu.be/dOHZOUjOwWE

Such a stereotypical song. Imagine me with a hair dryer and brush in my hand doing the YMCA and my little one bouncing up and down to the beat.

[LifeChanges]

Nos http://youtu.be/cMWWBigvbkY

Now I want to watch The Goonies.

[Soulkiss333]

Ok I have been only listening to Mucc (tatsurou...my sig.) anyway, this song came on from them and it totally reminded of Yoshi
esp the last half of the video the lalala part..lol (music is bound by no language it is a language)

So, Yoshi this one goes out to you (about being carefree...a free spirit)
http://youtu.be/FCUluxB6lkQ


I will translate...but this is a very catchy tune and a great drinking song (for us that are old enough)
I started a little bit in the middle

.....Hey, please listen! Let's stop and stand here just a bit longer.
Lalala lalala, we sing under totally different skies.
Everyday, hurried on by life, let's take it slowly and not seriously.

Please don't cry anymore! Hey, don't look so down.
Putting it to words, to voice, to song, there's a world you'll be able to see.

Is your heart broken? Are you crying? After all, people without love fall apart.
The great god from some other country, what was it that they said again?

Today and tomorrow are both busy days, so sing your little song.
Sad songs, happy songs, and songs for someone else clearly take form
They change into "something"

Everyone has a singing voice
Here and now, let it resound
With singing, you'll be able to become just a little bit stronger. Let me hear it,
your unique song

Lalala lalala lalalalalalala
lalalalalalala lalalalala.....

(dont forget to clap)

[tropicalheatwave]

LC http://youtu.be/_y2YR3Iei2M

That's weird, I woke up with this in my head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTNgcl2WEJw
I think your pick describes me pretty well, not one of my favorite Gwen Stefani songs though.

i was going to pick you this one: http://youtu.be/VWWJ5Hbbzus but changed my mind.

here is one for dreammoods or dreams in general: http://youtu.be/O4GW1AP4M-g

[JessicaBunny]

JessicaBunny: Song Title: Bubbly. (Seems bubbly and happy all the time)

Jeff: Song Title: Down to earth (well.. it explains itself)

Bubby: Song title: Bubbly (again, for the same reasons.


sorry KRSTYSTLCLR, i stole some of them. lol

i'll let bubby have bubbly because goes with her s/n too.

i would give myself: california gurls by katy perry and give that one too diclonius too.

krsty: california dreamin

guardian: born to be wild

jeff: new york by jz and alicia keys

bubby (movie): lil miss sunshine

cap: (movie) funny people

jeremym:(movies) country strong or nashville and song would be ring of fire by johnny cash

the webmaster: ( movie) daddy day care lol

st d: (movie) fight club lol

tsetse: (book) chicken soup for the soul

[Yoshi13]

OMG SOULIE!! That is like me? And thanks for thinkin bout me homeslice!

Jessy, you said something about nashville? I plan on going to college there and staying out there!! Lol

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

@ JB, I love that song, but I'm already in LA. I like your pic for Guardian and TSE also. They fit.

Yoshi...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-zYd5_xrj8 You seem like the loyalest of friends.

Me....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cyZvqetODY
I love this song, but it's really the video that I love. I can dream all day about having a life like that when I retire and have a bunch of grand kids.... riding horses, fire side songs, hayrides, just the whole vibe.

[Soulkiss333]

OMG SOULIE!! That is like me? And thanks for thinkin bout me homeslice!

glad you like it...by the end of the song it makes you so peaceful and happy.

SamZ isnt on anymore but this song reminded me of him
Yoda (to the beat of "lola" the kinks)
Weird Al
http://youtu.be/lPyxstgk8oM

I dont know Miss Wong good yet (I cant remember if I got the name right...Miss something)
but she seem really peaceful so I pick the song Peaceful Easy Feeling by the Eagles but I decided not to because it is about a girl he really like and I dont want to come off as a LB lol...but the peaceful easy feeling is right

Screw it...the tune/feeling of the song not the words so much
http://youtu.be/44A9iDQNrss
...I will try think of a different song for her.

JB this is for you...I was going to give this one to Nos but because she is marry she is only allow to misbehave a little so I thought you might be a good pick for it.
might realize some of the music (Enimen) used for one of his songs...but this isnt rap (I dont know what you call this type of music but i have tons of music like this)
very fun, playful, youth, and sexy and classy
I pick this song because you are really sweet but with naughty over tones (I love this song)
Song: Dirty Laundry
Artist: Bitter sweet
http://youtu.be/jU7vWUYRsaQ
actually I can use this song for a lot of the ladies on here

St. D
Song: Troublemaker
Artist: Weezer
http://youtu.be/ozLHPsAkphQ

[Soulkiss333]

Irrevocable
I pick this song because he seem to be a romantic (not so much that he thinks anyone will betray him) he is probably more up beat than this, but I think this song is very romantic. Towards 3/4s into it ...there are many types of instruments which is so beautiful.
Song: Betray
Artist: Son Lux
http://youtu.be/20uc9YL0hIk

Isis
Song: Take me somewhere nice (so I can forget the world)
Artist: Mogwai
http://youtu.be/oHO6pbjQ9ec

My song would be Enya...sail away Orinoco Flow
http://youtu.be/glyErSTQrDI
lol..I dont know...I just like to travel

[Yoshi13]

i think it is time for a new topic for the think tank, anyone got any ideas?

[BLUE]

BLUEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rXhXLsNJL8&feature=list_other&playnext=1&list=AL94UKMTqg-9DGTALjUuVBbC0KOg44d6r7

Omg I haven't heard Love Potion No.9 in so long! perfect Krsty Thankies

[Yoshi13]

i lremember that song!