Headstone and indian saying.

[MCP730]

I have had the same element appear in my dreams for about a week.


There is a granite headstone and on it is a bunch of names, two hands with a small flame between the palms and the statement "This is where the Pale-faces go." I remember seeing my name on the stone once, but that was the first dream it was in, I haven't ever read it again other than the Pale-faces sentence. Most recently the girl I love was there, she knew what it was about, and I went to kiss her and she whispered something and then our lips touched and I woke up. It was spring in this one. But there has been fire, snow, rain, summer, winter, and fall as well so I don't think the season has anything to do with it.

Two nights ago it was in a dream and I woke up, and then I when I fell back to sleep I found it again.

I don't know what it means. Any Ideas?

[sailrmc]

The first part of your dream indicates that you are becoming more and more aware of inevitable mortality. As we come out of our teens, and face the future in waking life, the unconscious mind often brings this "theme" to mind. Message also being, that you have at hand, a bright and full life....and the power to make a difference as you see fit. Depending on the context of the granite, it very well could be expressing that you are stong, or difficult to get through to (explained below), or even perhaps that someday you will leave this life. It all depends on how the granite was presented, but all I have suggested seem to fit

Your lady in the dream...
Next, I will discuss the role of the dream guide, keep reading and I think that you will understand. (The dream guide is part of the architecture of the dream and is scripted and cast to perform a task). Read on....

The most recent with the girl (your love) in it, is one which I will surmise your unconscious mind was using her as what is called a dream guide. (in the search bar up on the right side of this page you can enter, sailrmc dream guide, and you will find a myriad of dreams featuring dream guides. While each one is a bit different they all have much in common. The role, dream guide, is one that first introduced to the dreamer by establishing a very strong attraction between the dreamer and the dream guide (as in your dream). The "KISS" is ever so classic (showing the permanent bond or commitment of the unconscious mind to the dreamer, as well it is a way that the mind conditions the dreamer. This conditioning is a tool of the mind, to gain the complete attention of the dreamer...In reality I am guessing that the girl had your complete attention!
The kiss occurs (again, signifying the bond of the unconscious mind...I know this is deep). and typically dreamers say to me, no way, this is about the person I saw in the dream. In reality, it is so very classic that the kiss happened and you were awakened. This is so very typical in dream guide dreams. The dream guide will never go further than a kiss... Also the intensity of this kiss is typically more than the dreamer has ever felt. The dreamer wakes and is overwhelmed with emotion, and wanting to get back to that dream, immediately. The mind in future dreams, will use this dream guide (role player) to lure the you to the message of the dreams and in those you will be left in the scene where the intended message is to be learned, at which time, the dream guide slips away so as not to distract the dreamer from the intended message.

So in summary...the dream guide symbolically shows incredible commitment to the dreamer (the kiss), and the dreamer is totally attentive only to wake or loose the dream guide...thus conditioning the dreamer to follow future dream guides.
I have found this technique of the dreaming mind to be used when dreamers need to start understanding the subconscious messages...they are usually given messages in prior dreams only to be distracted and not "the" message. The mind wonderfully scripts the scenario by which the dreamer will definitely stay focused in further dreams (at least long enough to be lead to the message).

A quick story...
Years ago I evaluated a dream for a dreamer who experienced this dream guide for the first time...so it was the kiss and wake situation. After giving the explanation much like I have given you (only much more detailed). The dreamer told me that he thought I was completely wrong. I am okay with that, I told him. It is your dream and written for you alone, but I did tell him that this type of dream was documented and it was a rather standard approach to get the dreamer to go to the message in the dream. He thanked me and a couple of weeks later he started sending me dreams...over and over his mind was building most incredible "women, in this case"that he had ever seen. I told him, yes that is standard course of action...when the subconscious mind is desperate to convey important information to the dreamer, it will stop at nothing to get the dreamers attention. I told him, the subconscious mind is part of you.It knows you better than anyone on the planet. It can and will use the most striking features of (women, in this case) to get your attention. It knows what you like and it will use those things to get your attention. It is a totally separate and independent aspect inner-working of the mind. It is different from the conscious mind. The conscious mind is very aware, but has millions of distractions because it actually is the part of us that allows us to logically think during our waking life, and then it sends billions of commands to the brain to command the muscles of the body to move etc. The Conscious mind is quite busy so it cannot always impart (to the same degree, the information that the unconscious mind conveys). I mentioned, the subconscious (same as unconscious mind) is your mentor and friend. I observes everything that you encounter in waking life and files it away for use. At the same time it's job is to bring awareness to you. This is HUGE!! It's awareness is amazing and it never ever forgets. It is separate from the waking mind, it can only be accessed through dreams, OR through hypnotism. You cannot access it's intricate information...it decides what information to send you...and again this happens through dreams.

I told him, you are not paying attention to it's desperate attempts to get information to you and it uses this dream guide, role player, so that you you will start paying attention. I told him that when the dreamer continues waking in dreams after meeting the dream guide for the first time, his dream guide form will likely change.
Still I don't think he was quite convinced, but his dream guide did change forms. His dream guide changed to another that is quite classic...the character with huge black rimmed glasses with magnifier lenses, and he was holding a huge magnifying glass. This character was quirky enough to get his attention without attracting erotic tendencies stirring. This dream guide started as a semi regular feature in his dreams, and would lead him to the scene where the message was to be delivered. The dream guide would bend over with the glasses?and magnifying glass to look at an item that would convey meaning. This is what it took for this dreamer to pay attention to his dreams and his subconscoius mind adapted so as to get it's very, very important message across.
The dreamer thanked me saying, "hey, I thought you were out of your mind" with this dream guide stuff. I told him that I understood, I see this happen quite often (many times happening with dreamers who are just starting to take their dreams seriously?.

[MCP730]

That makes sense. Although my main reason for wanting to re-enter the dream was to spend more time with her. (We talk but we live in separate states and are in high school. We haven't seen each other since July.) I understand what you mean. I have read my name on the headstone. But it becomes difficult to focus in the dream, and I have had times where I focus so hard I would actually wake up. I Can't read any of the names but I remember finding mine. So I don't know why.

[MCP730]

That makes sense. Although my main reason for wanting to re-enter the dream was to spend more time with her. (We talk but we live in separate states and are in high school. We haven't seen each other since July.) I understand what you mean. I have read my name on the headstone. But it becomes difficult to focus in the dream, and I have had times where I focus so hard I would actually wake up. I Can't read any of the names but I remember finding mine. So I don't know why.

[underhiswing]

But.... the headstone has "multiple names" on it. So, wouldn't it represent a memorial instead of a grave marker? A memorial would be a list of people who had accomplished or performed the same thing/task. Have you a accomplished or desired to accomplish something that others have done before?

Are you Native American?Caucasian? Mexican?Asian? ect...This info would be needed in regards to what the pale-face reference and the palms with flame inside, represent. It would also help to know if you (or does she) practice any specific religion.

You said that she knows what this is about, so this is linked to what she knows.

[chase9]

The headstone symbolism possibly reflects something in your life that you are noticing is gone. What in your life do you feel is gone or has been lost?

[MCP730]

But.... the headstone has "multiple names" on it. So, wouldn't it represent a memorial instead of a grave marker? A memorial would be a list of people who had accomplished or performed the same thing/task. Have you a accomplished or desired to accomplish something that others have done before?

Are you Native American?Caucasian? Mexican?Asian? ect...This info would be needed in regards to what the pale-face reference and the palms with flame inside, represent. It would also help to know if you (or does she) practice any specific religion.

You said that she knows what this is about, so this is linked to what she knows.

Mix, I have Native-american and Sicilian as the top two as far as I know. But I have a lot of nationalities in me. I have not really lost anything recently.

[underhiswing]

Thank you. Do you have issues, thoughts, or certain feelings about the impact of your native heritage? I ask this because of the hands with the flame and the statement :"This is where the palefaces go" points to native issues or thoughts about heritage and/or where you belong or how you should be remembered (memorialized).

What does your girlfriend think of your blood line? Keep in mind that you said in your dream that you said "she knows". Can you reflect on the heritage, what she knows or feels about it, and then get back to me?

I know that you said the season may not matter, but I wanted to interject that spring symbolically represents renewal and restoration. This gives more insight to what is going on right now in your newest/more current dream.

FYI. I didn't say that you lost something, that was someone else.

[chase9]

FYI. I didn't say that you lost something, that was someone else.

He was just answering both of our questions at once, Under.

[chase9]

Anything in your past that you notice is not around anymore? Perhaps a really strong relationship or situation that you miss?

[MCP730]

Thank you. Do you have issues, thoughts, or certain feelings about the impact of your native heritage? I ask this because of the hands with the flame and the statement :"This is where the palefaces go" points to native issues or thoughts about heritage and/or where you belong or how you should be remembered (memorialized).

What does your girlfriend think of your blood line? Keep in mind that you said in your dream that you said "she knows". Can you reflect on the heritage, what she knows or feels about it, and then get back to me?

I know that you said the season may not matter, but I wanted to interject that spring symbolically represents renewal and restoration. This gives more insight to what is going on right now in your newest/more current dream.

FYI. I didn't say that you lost something, that was someone else.

I somehow knew that she knew what it meant. I don't know if she did. I told her about it (the dream) and it weirded her out but not on a bad way. She is caucasian and I think Cajun.

I am just about everything under the sun. (Several women on my mothers side were hookers so yeah. I got it all.)

I'm adopted, never met my mum or dad so maybe that is it?

Anything in your past that you notice is not around anymore? Perhaps a really strong relationship or situation that you miss?

I haven't lost anything. I have gained a surrogate mother. I have gained a girl whom I love. I have found several comfort items.

I'm more relaxed now than I was three months ago.

So I don't know.

[chase9]

If you are adopted this granite headstone could symbolize your feelings about never being able to know your parents. Something that you feel is permanent (granite) and that you notice is gone for good (headstone).

Do you think about them at all?

[underhiswing]

The adoption aspect would manifest this kind of symbolism contained in your dream. Native American's believe that you are "family" if you have the blood of the ancestors in your veins. You do have a heritage and you do have a family tree. You also have a purpose in life, that you must discover. I too am part Ponca (a small Siouan tribe in Nebraska), so I greet you my brother.

Try to recall what you felt when you read "this is where all the pale faces go" on the memorial? Would you rather be a "pale face" or not be one?

[chase9]

Unbelievable. Under is being co-operative with me. Careful, Under we might start getting along if you keep this up. God forbid that we have an intelligent and interesting debate together.

P.S. I like it when you talk on my threads. It makes my research easier when you get one right. I just want to be heard like you. And if "bonding" with all the dreamers is what you want then please feel free to do that on all my threads. I'm just looking for background info for symbols. The threads are dead to me after I have that. I don't have time for hugging and sympathizing with everyone. If that gives you a sense of purpose then please feel free.

[MCP730]

Well I'm Cherokee and Sioux and Lakota. So yeah. I have relations to the guy the Godfather movies were based off of, and can trace my line to an original mob boss with the Sicilian Mafia. I also have several other countries in me. So yeah.

And yes I do contemplate my birth mother and father more so recently.

And I don't really care either way. Pale-face or not. I'm anti-racism.

[chase9]

This is where the Pale-faces go."

This may reflect your feelings about that something being noticeably wrong with your real parents. Or you telling yourself that you were adopted because something was wrong with them.

Anything pale in a dream is probably reflecting your feelings about anything that is noticeably wrong in your life

[underhiswing]

Pale faces are the foes of the Indian man. The pale face comment is the center of the dream. Take some time and reach down deep into your heart and tell me how the paleface comment made you feel...and then how the whole dream made you feel ....not during waking hours, but within the feelings in dream itself. Maybe she can help you pull that up. It is possible that she sees this issue/belief within you already, and you don't. It is obvious that it is linked to your identity. Are you in a place in your life of major decision or choice right now?

I am curious.....since you are adopted, how do you know the lines that you are related to?

I want you to know that you are not related to a "gangster/mob" family..you are related to an Italian family. There is a difference in perspective.

[chase9]

Pale faces are the foes of the Indian man

This is interesting. I didn't realize this.

In this case these paleface's that are in the grave may reflect negative feelings about his parents forcing this adopted life on him. He may have abandonment issues.

White people in dreams often reflect aspects our lives that impose themselves. A derogatory name for white people may be pointing to your feelings about adoption or abandonment being imposed on you by parents that didn't care enough.

I want you to know that you are not related to a "gangster/mob" family..you are related to an Italian family. There is a difference in perspective.

I agree. Don't define yourself by the past or other peoples actions.

[sweetshar]

Just want to ask some ideas of what this dream of mine is all about.

In my dream, there is this guy who i don't know who he really are and didn't even recognize his face but it feels strange when i woke up. I felt this urge of emptiness i couldn't explained further, of what is the reason why i feel this way. It seems like it happens in reality though i don't know him but i have the feeling that we will meet each other soon. But it happens only one time and never happen again until now.

Do you have any idea about this matter?

[underhiswing]

You should make your own new thread and tell the dream with all of the details included. That way you will get more opinions or help.

[sweetshar]

ok!!

[MCP730]

Pale faces are the foes of the Indian man. The pale face comment is the center of the dream. Take some time and reach down deep into your heart and tell me how the paleface comment made you feel...and then how the whole dream made you feel ....not during waking hours, but within the feelings in dream itself. Maybe she can help you pull that up. It is possible that she sees this issue/belief within you already, and you don't. It is obvious that it is linked to your identity. Are you in a place in your life of major decision or choice right now?

I felt saddened in the dream, like that I had done something evil/bad. But yet it was something that I couldn't stop. I felt like a failure, but with her there I felt it was okay, in the one with her in the dream I felt ... at peace. Like evil was no more.

I don't know though, I feel saddened every time I think of the stone. I can see it perfectly in my head.

I am curious.....since you are adopted, how do you know the lines that you are related to?

Ancestory.com My adoptive parents knew my birth mom, I used her name and figured it out.

I want you to know that you are not related to a "gangster/mob" family..you are related to an Italian family. There is a difference in perspective.

Yes there is a difference, I am related to the Mob. The mafia is part of my heritage. I could invoke a blood right and become a made man because of my relation to the original Sicilian Mafia bosses.

[chase9]

If you are sad in the dream this supports the possibly that the dream is reflecting your feelings about being adopted.

[MCP730]

If you are sad in the dream this supports the possibly that the dream is reflecting your feelings about being adopted.

I don't think so. Cause I feel sad like I've done something wrong. Not from adoption. Like I haven't been able to stop something or I haven't been able to do something. I don't feel like this relates to my adoption at all.

[chase9]

Are you sad or disappointed about anything?

[underhiswing]

This dream is reflecting how you view yourself...again it is about your "identity". I would guess that you are a better person than what you think you are, and I would also guess that she sees that good in you and brings it out in you ....and that is what she "knows" in the dream.

What does your Native American heritage mean to you?

[MCP730]

This dream is reflecting how you view yourself...again it is about your "identity". I would guess that you are a better person than what you think you are, and I would also guess that she sees that good in you and brings it out in you ....and that is what she "knows" in the dream.

What does your Native American heritage mean to you?

Indeed she does seem to bring the good out in me.

My Native American Heritage means to me: I am a brother of the tribe. My people were born here long before the Europeans got here. I belong here in America. My nation.

So yeah.

Are you sad or disappointed about anything?

Yes, my lack of knowledge about my parents has been depressing me lately. So yeah.

[chase9]

The dream probably reflects your sense of family (granite) that you feel is lost forever (grave), because you can't know more about your parents.

[underhiswing]

My Native American Heritage means to me: I am a brother of the tribe. My people were born here long before the Europeans got here. I belong here in America. My nation. So yeah.

Then in light of that favorable view, do you think that "where the palefaces go" is not a place for you to go?

Yes, my lack of knowledge about my parents has been depressing me lately. So yeah.

I know you said this to Chase, but I wanted to ask if there was a particular reason why you are more in tuned to those feelings right now?

[chase9]

I know you said this to Chase, but I wanted to ask if there was a particular reason why you are more in tuned to those feelings right now?

He just wants to feel complete. If you were adopted you'd probably feel the same way, Under.

[MCP730]

I know you said this to Chase, but I wanted to ask if there was a particular reason why you are more in tuned to those feelings right now?

He just wants to feel complete. If you were adopted you'd probably feel the same way, Under.

I know you said this to Chase, but I wanted to ask if there was a particular reason why you are more in tuned to those feelings right now?

Sorry it took so long been dealing with school lately.

Chase is right. I don't know really anything about my birth parents.

And I feel like I should be a "border" for people, helping everyone be together. IDK if that makes sense or not. But I feel like I should be the link between the two. (And maybe everyone else for that matter too.)

[underhiswing]

I feel that your dream has not been "fully" explained yet. The puzzle hasn't been put completely together. All of the interps are fragmented, and there is no collective conclusion for you. I wish I could have helped you more. I am sorry to not have been much help. If you have this dream again, would you let us know. It is very possible that additional dream views will help to pull it together and enable a more accurate and fitting symbolic definition for you.

I am somewhat familiar with how it feels to be adopted. My sister-in-law and I were very very close, and we spent many hours talking about her feelings concerning her adoption during the 24 years she was in my life. I know there is a sense of not belonging...a lonely disconnectedness. I hope that when you have your own family, you will give your children a happy home and that there will be a new root planted just for you. You may not be able to go backward and climb onto your family tree, but you absolutley can go forward to create your own new family tree. May God's blessings follow you wherever you go.

[MCP730]

I feel that your dream has not been "fully" explained yet. The puzzle hasn't been put completely together. All of the interps are fragmented, and there is no collective conclusion for you. I wish I could have helped you more. I am sorry to not have been much help. If you have this dream again, would you let us know. It is very possible that additional dream views will help to pull it together and enable a more accurate and fitting symbolic definition for you.

I am somewhat familiar with how it feels to be adopted. My sister-in-law and I were very very close, and we spent many hours talking about her feelings concerning her adoption during the 24 years she was in my life. I know there is a sense of not belonging...a lonely disconnectedness. I hope that when you have your own family, you will give your children a happy home and that there will be a new root planted just for you. You may not be able to go backward and climb onto your family tree, but you absolutley can go forward to create your own new family tree. May God's blessings follow you wherever you go.

Thank you, I will definitely post again or IM you if I have the dream again. My dreams are becoming more random like they used to, with the headstone only fleeting in and out once and a while.

[chase9]

If keeping yourself together and being a "border" for other people is important for you then the Native American symbolism most likely reflects how you are choosing to never give in negative emotions and keep strong no matter what. Such as not allowing your adoption to get you down in any way at all.

Native Americans in dreams usually symbolize aspects of our lives that never cave in or never change no matter what.