Gays and Bisexuals

[CeciliaMystic]

Sorry I came across that way.
Don't take things so seriously. We all have different opinions and are entitled to them.
Im not going to hate you for disagreeing with me
Having a gay friend may be important for you. It may open your mind to different views and a better understanding of what gay is?

Yes.Exactly thanks

[The Atomic Mango]

I'm asexual, which means I'm doing nothing tonight.

then go get your own thread!

I'd be forever alone if I started such a thread. DId you know asexuals are a part of the queer community?

i'm not queer. -_- who told you that bullshit?

[Strider]

I was bicurious once upon a time

[Jon!]

I was bicurious once upon a time

once upon a time i think all girls go through a bicurious stage. Even if they don't realise it, i think they do it mainly for the male attention because any female/female activity can attract even the least sexually active straight male. They are such simple creatures. That and there's a sense of hidden peer pressure in todays society, mostly brought on by the straight boy, for girls to divulge this over the border sexual experience. I think there are very few out there who would actually admit to not liking it because, as i say, it gets the boys going and women can be very tedious and manipulative at that and there's very few females out there that wont do many things in order to snare in that male they have their eye on.

Lesbianism and bisexuality appears to be more socially accepting in females now than it has ever been in the world. I dont know if it's the same where you are, but where i am it appears to be a 'fashion' of sorts and girls will do it to 'fit in' with todays society. Boys, on the other hand, appear to be more true to their feelings and less false about such things. And yes, i do believe most bisexual/lesbian females (maybe not so much the lesbians, but definately the bisexuals) are indeed false with their views on this.

[Nostalgic]

^^thats why I don't call myself bi.
For me though it's never something I have done to please a man. I genuinely enjoy the female body, just never feel love or intamacy with a woman.

[Sanick]

Hey guys...I'm straight, but just coming by to show some love to you guys.

I hate the haters, who hate gays/lesbian/transgenders. Love and physical attraction is what it is, no matter who you find it in, and i for one support that!

I support Gay pride!

[tropicalheatwave]

i see nothing wrong with gays, and bisexuals either. but for some reason i don't understand transgender. i don't hate them i just don't understand them. i don't understand why anyone would want to change their gender and why it should be allowed. its creepy that i may be with a women and she may be a he.

[Nostalgic]

Question for gay people,
Would you be offended if you saw someone wearing a straight pride t shirt?
I'm just curious for your opinions.

[Jon!]

i see nothing wrong with gays, and bisexuals either. but for some reason i don't understand transgender. i don't hate them i just don't understand them. i don't understand why anyone would want to change their gender and why it should be allowed. its creepy that i may be with a women and she may be a he.

Transgender is not about WANTING, it's about HAVING to. As a feotus, transgendered people already have their gender chosen, however, on some occasions (i'd say rare, but it really isn't as rare as you would think) the physical form isn't matched with the gender of the brain. Imagine waking up one day and you have a pussy. Now, yeah you'd reckon that may be fun to play with.... but in a phsychological state, that isn't very fun at all. You should have a penis, but it's not there. Imagine facing the world and being called something you're not from the way your body is formed. Imagine growing up and being forced to dress like a girl. It has a very harsh impact on ones mental health and more often than not, this leads many transgenders to their death as they take their own life because it's a seriously difficult thing to come to terms with. Imagine how you dont understand it now without being transgender yourself. Imagine not being able to understand it on the same level when you ARE transgender.

This is something they MUST do... or they die. It's not a situation you would ever want to have to put someone in because it's terrifying. And yes it is allowed because of human rights. It's their right to be able to make this decision. Otherwise it would be like living in an emotional and mental prison. Back in the day (not that long ago, maybe 15-20yrs ago) transgenered people would be imprisoned for being what they are and forced into mental hospitals because society ddn't understand. What a traumatic experience to have to go through when you're not mental! transgered are completely sane! It's a medical condition that requires addressing the same way as any other medical condition is addressed. Except, even now, the treatment for this condition still isn't as it should be and people aren't getting the help they need with it because it's still not considered as important as cancer is. And is indeed just as important because people still die with prolonged treatment.

I hope that helps you understand a bit more about the condition and the fact that it isn't a choice for poeople to change their genders, it's a requirement as part of the treatment for the condition.

[Jon!]

Question for gay people,
Would you be offended if you saw someone wearing a straight pride t shirt?
I'm just curious for your opinions.

i got caught up in my last post, i forgot to reply!!

And nope! Why would a gay (roflt at that term!) be offended by straight people??? If they are, then those ones are no different to homophobes imo. I imagine they would be called hetrophobes.

[tropicalheatwave]

i see nothing wrong with gays, and bisexuals either. but for some reason i don't understand transgender. i don't hate them i just don't understand them. i don't understand why anyone would want to change their gender and why it should be allowed. its creepy that i may be with a women and she may be a he.

Transgender is not about WANTING, it's about HAVING to. As a feotus, transgendered people already have their gender chosen, however, on some occasions (i'd say rare, but it really isn't as rare as you would think) the physical form isn't matched with the gender of the brain. Imagine waking up one day and you have a pussy. Now, yeah you'd reckon that may be fun to play with.... but in a phsychological state, that isn't very fun at all. You should have a penis, but it's not there. Imagine facing the world and being called something you're not from the way your body is formed. Imagine growing up and being forced to dress like a girl. It has a very harsh impact on ones mental health and more often than not, this leads many transgenders to their death as they take their own life because it's a seriously difficult thing to come to terms with. Imagine how you dont understand it now without being transgender yourself. Imagine not being able to understand it on the same level when you ARE transgender.

This is something they MUST do... or they die. It's not a situation you would ever want to have to put someone in because it's terrifying. And yes it is allowed because of human rights. It's their right to be able to make this decision. Otherwise it would be like living in an emotional and mental prison. Back in the day (not that long ago, maybe 15-20yrs ago) transgenered people would be imprisoned for being what they are and forced into mental hospitals because society ddn't understand. What a traumatic experience to have to go through when you're not mental! transgered are completely sane! It's a medical condition that requires addressing the same way as any other medical condition is addressed. Except, even now, the treatment for this condition still isn't as it should be and people aren't getting the help they need with it because it's still not considered as important as cancer is. And is indeed just as important because people still die with prolonged treatment.

I hope that helps you understand a bit more about the condition and the fact that it isn't a choice for poeople to change their genders, it's a requirement as part of the treatment for the condition.

thanks for the information

[Nostalgic]

Question for gay people,
Would you be offended if you saw someone wearing a straight pride t shirt?
I'm just curious for your opinions.

i got caught up in my last post, i forgot to reply!!

And nope! Why would a gay (roflt at that term!) be offended by straight people??? If they are, then those ones are no different to homophobes imo. I imagine they would be called hetrophobes.

Exactly thx.

Good explanation on transgender.
I watched this sad story once where a circumsicion went wrong so they fixed the problem by making him a girl.
He was a man inside just like others who chose to change their sex but in his case he never had the choice.
He had so many problems growing up. So sad.

[The Atomic Mango]

i wish i had a penis so i could pee all over the toilet.

[Jon!]

i wish i had a penis so i could pee all over the toilet.

thats just fucking disgusting.

[RockPillow®]

I'm asexual, which means I'm doing nothing tonight.

then go get your own thread!

I'd be forever alone if I started such a thread. DId you know asexuals are a part of the queer community?

i'm not queer. -_- who told you that bullshit?

The use of the word queer as an umbrella term for anybody who doesn't fit heterosexual normatives. You don't. The word queer can be used to describe you. Of course, not every asexual, gay, straight, or whatever has to identify with the community surrounding those who fall under that umbrella term. But you're still queer to the many who use this term because you're a female who doesn't want to have a romantic or sexual relationship with a male. You could always disregard them, which is probably the best thing to do anyways.

i wish i had a penis so i could pee all over the toilet.

Also, penis envy. So jealous, so queer. U MAD?

[The Atomic Mango]

yes.

[horseshoe97]

some of yall r wierd... i guess thats what makes us special!
so how is everyone? i keep forgeting to log on...
simone is awesome... she my new gf... nd i totally refute the whole "girls do it to get guy's attention" i can honestly say that most of the girls that i know that are bi/lesbian are that way because of (1) bad experiences with guys in the past (2) just dont have any attraction to guys becasue some girls see them as idiots that will never understand the girl's way of thinking (no offense guys) or (3) a male family member/friend left a bad imprint in thier mind that gives them a good reason not to trust men.

[Jon!]

i can honestly say that most of the girls that i know that are bi/lesbian are that way because of (1) bad experiences with guys in the past

thats a bad reason

(2) just dont have any attraction to guys becasue some girls see them as idiots that will never understand the girl's way of thinking (no offense guys)

thats a bad reason

or (3) a male family member/friend left a bad imprint in thier mind that gives them a good reason not to trust men.

thats a bad reason.

Sexuality isn't something that is based on ones experiences. These are the kind of people who will get married to guys and have kids in the end. Sexuality is not a choice, it's something who you ARE that you CANNOT change just because, in the same way our natural hair colour is. Sure, go ahead and dye your brown hair bright red, you're still a fake. At the end of the day, you're still a brunette and thats something you just simply cannot change just because you dont want to live that way. Sorry, but sexuality is not something you can just say; "Oh, i'm lesbian because i hate men."

I cannot wake up one day and chose to be straight because all men are assholes.

[Nostalgic]

Well you could try one of those weird straight camps they have in America lol, they actually do exsist.
Who ever created them is a weirdo

[Strider]

^^thats why I don't call myself bi.
For me though it's never something I have done to please a man. I genuinely enjoy the female body, just never feel love or intamacy with a woman.

-I'm with you there Nos; the female body in my opinion, is beautiful, stunning, or what ever you want to call it.-

As for what you said Jon, I agree that alot of people do it to fit into today's society and such; or to please a potential lover of sorts. I never was bicurious because of my wanting to please another though, or at least not consciously.

As for where I come from, it is frowned upon highly. My best friend can't even 'come out of the closet' because her family would disown her, our friend Timothy wasn't even allowed at her house because he was gay. And the people in my town? It would be sort of like "grab your torch and pitchfork" people where I live aren't open minded.

I support Gay Rights, as far as I'm concerned, Love Has No Gender, and Everyone deserves a chance at love no matter who its with.

[horseshoe97]

Sexuality isn't something that is based on ones experiences. These are the kind of people who will get married to guys and have kids in the end. Sexuality is not a choice, it's something who you ARE that you CANNOT change just because, in the same way our natural hair colour is. Sure, go ahead and dye your brown hair bright red, you're still a fake. At the end of the day, you're still a brunette and thats something you just simply cannot change just because you dont want to live that way. Sorry, but sexuality is not something you can just say; "Oh, i'm lesbian because i hate men."

i never said it directly linked to ones experiences. what i meant to say is that those are some of the reasons why some of the people i know are. i never said those were the only reasons. those are just things that some people i know use to support it when asked "why are you that way?" becasue we get asked those questions alot around here. alot of religious people down here. its difficult for them to accept the answer "i just am." down here where catholics and baptists are the majority, glbt people have to have a reason. "i just am" isnt a good enough answer. becasue its technically a "sin" to love someone of the same gender. this is what most people down here believe. if someone doesnt want to be a social outcast, they have to have a reason that everyone accepts. and even if you do have an "acceptable" reason, there are still some people that act like you no longer exist and that talking to you will make them become condemned to hell. its not unusual to get an answer such as these down in central/south texas. and most the time, they are telling the truth. someone doesnt say it happened if it didnt. and, in my opinon, most guys are idiots that dont, and never will understand what a girl truly feels, and its alot harder on the girl than it is on the guy, cause, from my experience, guys really dont care about half the stuff that girls do. they guys i know typically only have one of two things on thier mind. to some girls, this is just annoying and they really hate dealing with a guy. but you know, all the guys in my life have been jerks, but some say all guys arent that bad. i guess i pulled a short straw somewhere. anyway. i didnt say those are the ONLY reasons someone is. I just meant to point out that we have to have a reason, or become someone thats ignored. luckily i go to a fairly accepting school. there are some schools in this town that you WILL GET KICKED OUT OF FOR BEING GAY OR BI. im not kidding. what can i say? central/south texas is a very diverse place.

[RockPillow®]

i wish i had a penis so i could pee all over the toilet.

Having a penis is awesome because you can piss on the snow and write your name on it.

[Jon!]

i never said it directly linked to ones experiences. what i meant to say is that those are some of the reasons why some of the people i know are. i never said those were the only reasons. those are just things that some people i know use to support it when asked "why are you that way?" becasue we get asked those questions alot around here. alot of religious people down here. its difficult for them to accept the answer "i just am." down here where catholics and baptists are the majority, glbt people have to have a reason. "i just am" isnt a good enough answer. becasue its technically a "sin" to love someone of the same gender. this is what most people down here believe. if someone doesnt want to be a social outcast, they have to have a reason that everyone accepts. and even if you do have an "acceptable" reason, there are still some people that act like you no longer exist and that talking to you will make them become condemned to hell. its not unusual to get an answer such as these down in central/south texas. and most the time, they are telling the truth. someone doesnt say it happened if it didnt. and, in my opinon, most guys are idiots that dont, and never will understand what a girl truly feels, and its alot harder on the girl than it is on the guy, cause, from my experience, guys really dont care about half the stuff that girls do. they guys i know typically only have one of two things on thier mind. to some girls, this is just annoying and they really hate dealing with a guy. but you know, all the guys in my life have been jerks, but some say all guys arent that bad. i guess i pulled a short straw somewhere. anyway. i didnt say those are the ONLY reasons someone is. I just meant to point out that we have to have a reason, or become someone thats ignored. luckily i go to a fairly accepting school. there are some schools in this town that you WILL GET KICKED OUT OF FOR BEING GAY OR BI. im not kidding. what can i say? central/south texas is a very diverse place.

Guys don't have to care about the stuff girls do. Girls dont have to care about the stuff guys do. Simples. You'll learn this one day when you want to get married and have kids that this is the kind of stuff that is irrelevant. Sounds to me like you're young. That stuff appears to matter when you're young, but you'll never find a guy that actually enjoys shoe shopping with you unless he's a tranny

[horseshoe97]

You'll learn this one day when you want to get married and have kids that this is the kind of stuff that is irrelevant. Sounds to me like you're young. That stuff appears to matter when you're young, but you'll never find a guy that actually enjoys shoe shopping with you unless he's a tranny

(1) im never having kids. i like being around them, but a carreer as a naval navigator calls for LONG voyages and lots of time away from home. and ive wanted to be a navigator for a long time. never really wanted kids. im not giving up my dream job. if im going to have them, i want to spend time with them and raise them. thats not going to happen.
(2) for the record- not every girl likes shoe shopping. i hate shopping in general. i dont THINK thats ever going to change, but i dont KNOW. again relating back to the navy- i need a pair of work boots, a pair of exercise shoes, a pair dress shoes for "formal occasions," and a pair of cowboy boots. gotta love being born and raised in texas.

[The Atomic Mango]

i wish i had a penis so i could pee all over the toilet.

Having a penis is awesome because you can piss on the snow and write your name on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QIQaARXyXs

shoe shopping? the worst... D:

[RockPillow®]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QIQaARXyXs

shoe shopping? the worst... D:

omg

[RocketCollecting]

I miss going to gay clubs. Nobody asks "what" they are. They just get down and have a good time. My gay friends and straight friends don't really mingle, and I can't help but feel torn about it sometimes. Neither of them want to bother with talking about the elephant in the room. To be honest, I'm getting tired of having to defend my sexuality and other peoples sexualities, but I'm going to do it until the end.

[Jeff_in_Time]

Hai all.

Bumping this back up.

[physco kid]

Wow. I totally forgot about this

[Xero.]

This thread is filled with so much win.

Jon! is really pulling out the stops on being informative. Good job, man.

i wish i had a penis so i could pee all over the toilet.

Having a penis is awesome because you can piss on the snow and write your name on it.

I lol'd.


Oh, and asexual here.

[Jeff_in_Time]

About asexuality, Xero.
Do you feel nothing for either gender, ever? Or you do but nothing sexual?

[Xero.]

About asexuality, Xero.
Do you feel nothing for either gender, ever? Or you do but nothing sexual?

It's pretty much just not being sexually attracted to other people and/or a complete lack of interest in sex.
Because I'm a lazy asshole, have a wiki link for if you want to read into it on a basic level.

[Jeff_in_Time]

Lmao okay reads the wiki link.
Gets me some knowledge.

Read most of it so it isn't a fear of being intimate with another, because it is not a choice being made.
Just nothing there inside to ever act on?
I have gay, bi, lesbian friends, but I don't know of any openly asexual friends.
No one should judged on who they want sexually or if they do not want anyone at all.
All good by me.

[Jon!]

i don't think i could ever live without sex >_>

it would make me cry.

[Soulkiss333]

I once met a couple that were both transgender, they were still completing the steps to make a total switch over. I remember they came into the store I and Mikel worked at. Mikel kept saying I think that girl is a tranny and I at the same time thought the guy was a tranny. Then we both got curious but it is not something you just ask ppl. BTW, this was an adult store and after a while they told us that they both were switching over. Anyway, after they left Mikel (who is gay) said if they both just would have stay the way they were they would still be a heterosexual couple (jokingly). We both knew it is about how you identity. We both thought it was kinda cool that they found each other. But it is how you identity as a person, psychology even show that men and women are wired different in the brains. For these folks, the one who started off as a girl was wired like a guy (not just little things here and there but the whole makeup) and the one born as a boy was wired like a woman.

I know everything gets thrown in the gay category. I know the gay community has really spoken out about it here in the Pacific Northwest (Washington and Oregon). There was this thing that happen like 2 years ago where this transgender woman who had marry a man was upset that the gay community didnt support them. It wasnt that the gay community was against them but to the gay community they werent gay, they were a marry couple living as man and woman. So, the gay community really has kinda say stop putting everything that is not the norm into the gay community. To be gay it has to be man and man or woman and woman.

Also talking with quite a few transgender I heard it is a lot harder for women to become a man. Well I mean completely. Most actually go thru all the other steps but doesnt get a penis because a lot of the time it won't be functional so lot of them wont go all the way. Some still do but they still have to use props for sex. I got to met Buck Angel (the first girl to guy porno star) he looks completely like a guy except down there. He has facial and chest hair, no boobs, nipple replacement and even losing his hair like a guy now. When he was a girl he was a model very pretty but now you would never know that he started off as a girl.

Oh the girls who kiss and make out with other girls for attention are called "Bugs" in the gay community or I should say Lesbian community it is look down upon greatly. Lesbians felt they have worked so hard to get there own identity just to have some "attention getting whore" (quote from my sister) change the true identity of what a lesbian really is (as a trend). To them it isnt fun and games or a trend, it really is who they are, and that really bothers them when girls do that. Tho they dont mind if girls are curious and are exploring their sexual (esp if they can teach ya) but again it isnt the same when you make a show out of it. You know the ones who do it for male attention.

I also have no asexual friends or they just never told me, maybe. I read a long time ago that asexual just has no interest in sex, at all, so they arent attractive to anyone in that way. they have friendships but not lovers and no desire to.

[Soulkiss333]

Sexuality isn't something that is based on ones experiences. These are the kind of people who will get married to guys and have kids in the end. Sexuality is not a choice, it's something who you ARE that you CANNOT change just because, in the same way our natural hair colour is. Sure, go ahead and dye your brown hair bright red, you're still a fake. At the end of the day, you're still a brunette and thats something you just simply cannot change just because you dont want to live that way. Sorry, but sexuality is not something you can just say; "Oh, i'm lesbian because i hate men."

I cannot wake up one day and chose to be straight because all men are assholes.

This is actually being debate right now. There was a speech just given by a Lesbian to the whole gay community, a great speech until the end when she said she chose to be this way.

the gay community was angry because they have fought so hard saying it isnt a choice and for most it isnt but here is what she said as response to that on Jan 31.

“I gave a speech recently, an empowerment speech to a gay audience, and it included the line ‘I’ve been straight and I’ve been gay, and gay is better.’ And they tried to get me to change it, because they said it implies that homosexuality can be a choice. And for me, it is a choice. I understand that for many people it’s not, but for me it’s a choice, and you don’t get to define my gayness for me. A certain section of our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a choice, because if it’s a choice, then we could opt out. I say it doesn’t matter if we flew here or we swam here, it matters that we are here and we are one group and let us stop trying to make a litmus test for who is considered gay and who is not. … Why can’t it be a choice? Why is that any less legitimate? It seems we’re just ceding this point to bigots who are demanding it, and I don’t think that they should define the terms of the debate. I also feel like people think I was walking around in a cloud and didn’t realize I was gay, which I find really offensive.”

Want to read more....google Panel: On Cynthia Nixon and Choosing to be Gay

I think it can be a choice but very unlikely. Sometimes things can be so traumatizing for someone it changes the views and the way they live in many different cases (not just sexual) esp. since if it happens as a kid. I know a black woman who was raped by a black man and now she will not dated other black men, she scared to death of them, she wasnt always like that. Again when you are talking about abuse relationships these are things that causes trauma to the brain and now we are dealing with the brain functions. And this is where it stumps ppl I think or it get tricky. Most of us can go okay you are born this way but doesnt the outside world and our interactions and our experiences also shape us as people...yes. Never underestimate the brain and the mental effects it has on people during anytime of their lives. Just like we are talking about transgenders being more of a mental identity...our experiences can shape us mentally as well and that can include our sexual identity. My sister has been out since she was 19 and has been big in all the gay pride. But she was mess with as a child now she knows she is gay but sometimes I think she (she talk to me a couple of times) wonders if that experience hasnt shape her now and we may never know. I remember my sis as a kid (only saw her in the summertime) she was always acting like a guy. And she always wanted to be a guy. We once told her if she could kiss the tip of her elbow she would turn into a guy and she try all summer. I think she was born like this but like the lady said up above I dont really thinks it matter, my sis is gay whether she was sexual abuse as a kid or born this way. When it all comes down to it, it is all in the brain and sometimes thru experiences or trauma ppl do change. They even say most prostitutes are lesbians because they were messed with as children. Everyone is different. Some ppl who go thru bad times come out stronger and others fall and they fall in different way. I can think of many different cases where trauma has completely change a person.

I believe it doesnt happen over night, you dont wake up one day either but a process, a series of things that build up. Like hate none of us are really born with it, it is thru experience we hate. I think someone can end up with so much anger or hate or is so intimated thru their experiences that they cut themselves off from that group wants nothing to do with them....like someone who has been in bad relationships but they still desire human intimacy. By reading some of the debates about this it seem like in adult life (not including child abuse) that the majority of gays saying this can be a choice are women (lesbians) maybe it is how women are different than men in the way they think. I mean for gays not transgenders...gays likes being a man and has no desire to become a woman but are attractive to other men and same for lesbians while transgender are very unhappy being a man when they really want to be a woman. transgenders and gays are very different in how the brain works...gays men are still men and lesbians are still women so maybe it is different for some lesbians on why they are gay and it is a choice.

Oh Jon the example was a bad one. One of my step-sis was born with blond hair and as she got older it got darker and darker until it was dark brown and now it is turning gray. When she is in hot weather and stays out in the sun or beach all summer her hair changes again to brownish, reddish with these like dark blonde streaks. I do get what you are saying and I know how hard the gay movement are trying to get ppl to understand this is who they are but I think our experiences and the power of the brain (mental) shouldnt be looked at so black and white. I see a lot of gray area. I think this is the first time I disagree with you, I am so sad now. However, it is just my opinion.

[horseshoe97]

Sexuality isn't something that is based on ones experiences. These are the kind of people who will get married to guys and have kids in the end. Sexuality is not a choice, it's something who you ARE that you CANNOT change just because, in the same way our natural hair colour is. Sure, go ahead and dye your brown hair bright red, you're still a fake. At the end of the day, you're still a brunette and thats something you just simply cannot change just because you dont want to live that way. Sorry, but sexuality is not something you can just say; "Oh, i'm lesbian because i hate men."

I cannot wake up one day and chose to be straight because all men are assholes.

This is actually being debate right now. There was a speech just given by a Lesbian to the whole gay community, a great speech until the end when she said she chose to be this way.

the gay community was angry because they have fought so hard saying it isnt a choice and for most it isnt but here is what she said as response to that on Jan 31.

“I gave a speech recently, an empowerment speech to a gay audience, and it included the line ‘I’ve been straight and I’ve been gay, and gay is better.’ And they tried to get me to change it, because they said it implies that homosexuality can be a choice. And for me, it is a choice. I understand that for many people it’s not, but for me it’s a choice, and you don’t get to define my gayness for me. A certain section of our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a choice, because if it’s a choice, then we could opt out. I say it doesn’t matter if we flew here or we swam here, it matters that we are here and we are one group and let us stop trying to make a litmus test for who is considered gay and who is not. … Why can’t it be a choice? Why is that any less legitimate? It seems we’re just ceding this point to bigots who are demanding it, and I don’t think that they should define the terms of the debate. I also feel like people think I was walking around in a cloud and didn’t realize I was gay, which I find really offensive.”

Want to read more....google Panel: On Cynthia Nixon and Choosing to be Gay

I think it can be a choice but very unlikely. Sometimes things can be so traumatizing for someone it changes the views and the way they live in many different cases (not just sexual) esp. since if it happens as a kid. I know a black woman who was raped by a black man and now she will not dated other black men, she scared to death of them, she wasnt always like that. Again when you are talking about abuse relationships these are things that causes trauma to the brain and now we are dealing with the brain functions. And this is where it stumps ppl I think or it get tricky. Most of us can go okay you are born this way but doesnt the outside world and our interactions and our experiences also shape us as people...yes. Never underestimate the brain and the mental effects it has on people during anytime of their lives. Just like we are talking about transgenders being more of a mental identity...our experiences can shape us mentally as well and that can include our sexual identity. My sister has been out since she was 19 and has been big in all the gay pride. But she was mess with as a child now she knows she is gay but sometimes I think she (she talk to me a couple of times) wonders if that experience hasnt shape her now and we may never know. I remember my sis as a kid (only saw her in the summertime) she was always acting like a guy. And she always wanted to be a guy. We once told her if she could kiss the tip of her elbow she would turn into a guy and she try all summer. I think she was born like this but like the lady said up above I dont really thinks it matter, my sis is gay whether she was sexual abuse as a kid or born this way. When it all comes down to it, it is all in the brain and sometimes thru experiences or trauma ppl do change. They even say most prostitutes are lesbians because they were messed with as children. Everyone is different. Some ppl who go thru bad times come out stronger and others fall and they fall in different way. I can think of many different cases where trauma has completely change a person.

I believe it doesnt happen over night, you dont wake up one day either but a process, a series of things that build up. Like hate none of us are really born with it, it is thru experience we hate. I think someone can end up with so much anger or hate or is so intimated thru their experiences that they cut themselves off from that group wants nothing to do with them....like someone who has been in bad relationships but they still desire human intimacy. By reading some of the debates about this it seem like in adult life (not including child abuse) that the majority of gays saying this can be a choice are women (lesbians) maybe it is how women are different than men in the way they think. I mean for gays not transgenders...gays likes being a man and has no desire to become a woman but are attractive to other men and same for lesbians while transgender are very unhappy being a man when they really want to be a woman. transgenders and gays are very different in how the brain works...gays men are still men and lesbians are still women so maybe it is different for some lesbians on why they are gay and it is a choice.

Oh Jon the example was a bad one. One of my step-sis was born with blond hair and as she got older it got darker and darker until it was dark brown and now it is turning gray. When she is in hot weather and stays out in the sun or beach all summer her hair changes again to brownish, reddish with these like dark blonde streaks. I do get what you are saying and I know how hard the gay movement are trying to get ppl to understand this is who they are but I think our experiences and the power of the brain (mental) shouldnt be looked at so black and white. I see a lot of gray area. I think this is the first time I disagree with you, I am so sad now. However, it is just my opinion.

thank you. part if it (the traumatic experiences part and the choice part) was exactly what i was trying to get at. I just didn't know how to put it in words, and i think you did it better than i ever could have.

[Jeff_in_Time]

Nice posts, and info, Soulkiss.
I don't like the fake gays or lesbians for party value or shock value either.

[Ash _dog89]

so jus wats so great about this site anyway and has it helped anyone or is this all a load of crap?

[Adityasb]

so jus wats so great about this site anyway and has it helped anyone or is this all a load of crap?

did I hear some barks? See, this is a forum dear. You talk and you discuss about dreams or important things when you have no one with whom you can discuss. Doggy Ash.

[Adityasb]

I don't know what happened to me when I read this thread but one thing is for sure is that I want to vomite now. I have nothing against gay or bi-sexual, they are like any other people. Besides I like to watch porn in which you see girl on girl action, it's hot!

[Jon!]

I don't know what happened to me when I read this thread but one thing is for sure is that I want to vomite now. I have nothing against gay or bi-sexual, they are like any other people. Besides I like to watch porn in which you see girl on girl action, it's hot!

Did you expect to see some girl on girl muff diving?

tottle on now, straight boy

[Jon!]

so jus wats so great about this site anyway and has it helped anyone or is this all a load of crap?

are you wanting to come out of the closet? Come to the right place if you need any further assitance, i insist requesting your 18+ application from wbby and getting your cock out so we can all proceed with further help

[Adityasb]

so jus wats so great about this site anyway and has it helped anyone or is this all a load of crap?

are you wanting to come out of the closet? Come to the right place if you need any further assitance, i insist requesting your 18+ application from wbby and getting your cock out so we can all proceed with further help

actually Jon, Ash_dog89 has a point here. This thread has more to do in the sex section.

[Adityasb]

I don't know what happened to me when I read this thread but one thing is for sure is that I want to vomite now. I have nothing against gay or bi-sexual, they are like any other people. Besides I like to watch porn in which you see girl on girl action, it's hot!

Did you expect to see some girl on girl muff diving?

tottle on now, straight boy

In fact, if I would want to watch these I would buy some discs at the video club. I was just expressing my thoughts.

[Jon!]

actually Jon, Ash_dog89 has a point here. This thread has more to do in the sex section.

actually, adi. This is meant for the dating and love relationships advice section. Granted, i should behave myself in here, but i created this thread for all users of this nature to congregate and have a general chat. It's meant to be informative, homophobic-free and used in much the same way any general discussion topic should be. So no, this does NOT belong in the 18+ section. If you would like to create a sexual one in the adult section, then be my guest.

I don't know what happened to me when I read this thread but one thing is for sure is that I want to vomite now. I have nothing against gay or bi-sexual, they are like any other people. Besides I like to watch porn in which you see girl on girl action, it's hot!

Did you expect to see some girl on girl muff diving?

tottle on now, straight boy

In fact, if I would want to watch these I would buy some discs at the video club. I was just expressing my thoughts.

and seriously... you pay for that??? Interesting...

[Strider]

i don't think i could ever live without sex >_>

it would make me cry.

XDDD I so second this!

[Nostalgic]

I've never understood the, is it genetics or choice etc debates on being gay.
I've never felt the need to know why I am straight. Do I choose it or is it in my genes?
Ok you could argue scientific curiosity etc but then look at all sides of it, why are people straight, gay and bisexual.
To much focus on homosexuality causes most of the problems I think.
Just like people expect you to tell them your gay. I've never felt the need to say " nice to meet you and I'm straight"

I think we should scrap gay pride and straight pride and just have fun.

But we don't live in a perfect world.

As for this thread and where it belongs. I think Jon posted it in the right section.

[Adityasb]

Hi nos, straight boy to straight woman. How are you doing? I have nothing against this thread. People have the right to discuss about anything in this forum.
P.S. I need some more votes for my poll 'what would you do if someone dumps you'. So can you please chose an option.

[horseshoe97]

I didn't know Darren Hayes was gay... Until about twenty minutes ago... Considering this guy is the lead singer of one of my favourite bands, I feel like I need to catch up with what's goin on in the world.... I feel left behind. -_-
And the situation with my mom isn't improving. It's actually getting worse, or at least it seems that way. Any advice?