Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

[physco kid]

A question to toss in here!
You have one chance to meet anyone you want. Who would you meet?

[Guardian7347]

George Washington. He was an incredibly amazing man who seems to have been designed for one purpose and one alone. To single-handedly bring forth a new nation.

[BLUE]

Saint Francis of Assisi

[Nostalgic]

A question to toss in here!
You have one chance to meet anyone you want. Who would you meet?

I really have no idea.... Have to think on that one

[Bubbydoll]

If you the power of invisibility, what would you do with it? Would you use it to save Simone, a child maybe? Change the world, for better or not? Rob bankd or watch your crush get undressed?

*curious*

I would do very bad things. haha, prolly not, but spying on others may happen for laughs sake, I would try to do good with any superpowers I had, once you take something special and corrupt it you are doomed.

There is BD Did you ever post that pic, if ya did can you link me.
I probably missed 20 pages since gone.

Yes, sir, I did. Right when I promised to on my 5000th post, I put it into my art thread for you, so wander on over and take a look-see if you'd like. If you cannot find thread I will send you the link.

On the mods, yep the site still needs a few more, even if only one to help out the webmaster and EvilMonkey but I think the site is running well now and I do not see nearly as much spam either, so they have things under control, in my opinion. I am pleased.

[Bubbydoll]

I have a new question.

How do you feel about assisted suicide or mercy killings? Would you ever consider your self or someone you love as a candidate for mercy killing or assisted suicide? Under what circumstances would it be O.K.?

Currently, Oregon, Washington, Montana, Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg are the only places in the would where it is legal. California may be getting a bill on this issue soon.

Oh that is a good question, Krsty, something I have actually thought about because so many in my family, mostly women have had cancer, tumors and suffered and I have see all this pain since a child and I assume the same fate will be mine one day soon. I believe in living wills, so everyone knows what you desire to happen if ever you cannot talk and tell others. I do not want to be left in some hospital bed wasting away like that people staring at me, pitying me and suffering, please let me go by my own wishes and if not please help me go if the doctors will not. I wish it was not illegal here. There is actually a case I heard about in BC, let me go get you a link of that to read and prolly some other links. I would help someone I loved, BTW.

Here you go:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/11/14/bc-assisted-suicide.html
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/29/67-of-canadians-support-legalizing-assisted-suicide-poll/
http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/canada/
http://www.assistedsuicide.org/suicide_laws.html

A question to toss in here!
You have one chance to meet anyone you want. Who would you meet?

Mary( The Virgin Mary). I would want to see her, be in her presence... have her talk with me, preferably in a quiet setting.

[Brake4Wind]

A question to toss in here! You have one chance to meet anyone you want. Who would you meet?

Good question! My favorites in history were rebels:

Mahatma Gandhi- "The seven blunders that human society commits and cause all the violence: wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, worship without sacrifice, and politics without principles."

Benjamin Franklin- Brilliant inventor, colorful diplomat and a popular guest at the French royal court (sporting a coon-skin cap), he persuaded one monarch to finance the overthrow of another- the American Revolution. 1775- at the Pennsylvania Assembly he asserted, "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Martin Luther King Jr.- "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."- "We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools."- "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." and "We have guided missiles and misguided men."

Nelson Mandela- "It was during those long and lonely years that my hunger for the freedom of my own people became a hunger for the freedom of all people, white and black. I knew as well as I knew anything that the oppressor must be liberated just as surely as the oppressed. A man who takes away another man's freedom is a prisoner of hatred, he is locked behind the bars of prejudice and narrow-mindedness. I am not truly free if I am taking away someone else's freedom, just as surely as I am not free when my freedom is taken from me. The oppressed and the oppressor alike are robbed of their humanity."

[Brake4Wind]

BLUE wrote:If you the power of invisibility, what would you do with it? Would you use it to save Simone, a child maybe? Change the world, for better or not? Rob bankd or watch your crush get undressed? *curious*

I would do very bad things.

O.o.- I might do bad things too- like raid off-shore accounts of people in congress (the accounts they "don't have") and transfer the funds to charity.

How do you feel about assisted suicide or mercy killings? Would you ever consider your self or someone you love as a candidate for mercy killing or assisted suicide? Under what circumstances would it be O.K.?

That's a hard one! I don't think I could deal with making it 'legal' for the same reasons that Guardian and Tsetse have given- especially Guardian's comments on the potential for abuse. Still, as a juror, I wouldn't convict on assisted suicide when requested by a person in terrible pain and already in his death bed. Was it Dr. Kevorkian who was tried and acquitted under these circumstances? I'm not sure of the details.

[Soulkiss333]

I have a new question.

How do you feel about assisted suicide or mercy killings? Would you ever consider your self or someone you love as a candidate for mercy killing or assisted suicide? Under what circumstances would it be O.K.?

Currently, Oregon, Washington, Montana, Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg are the only places in the would where it is legal. California may be getting a bill on this issue soon.

I just moved from Oregon and now lives in Washington. Oregon was the first to pass it (in the states). I remember we had to vote on the issue 3 different times (it took years and years).I was too young to vote. All three times the ppl of Oregon pass it but because another state had an issue with our state law so we had to keep re-voting. It was like our votes didnt matter.

Personal I am for it. I can't stand suffering. I also had a grandfather in Monotana where at the time it wasnt legal, he was suffering from cancer. There was nothing they could do for him but keep in the hospital and feed him meds. (yes he did all the treatments too). Towards the end it got really bad. He was in horrific pain even all dope up on morphine. Sometimes he didnt even know who we were. I remember going in there and having to put bread and soak it in water and put it in his month and let him suck on it because he could no longer eat. He lose all of his teeth, had bleeding gums, sores all over him. It was cruel and painful to witness. We were all just waiting for him to die, me, the family, the doctors and even him. He wanted to just be let go but it was against the law in Montana. He had no dignity left, he didnt want us to go in and see him in this state. He was left to die a slow, painful, death. He was 64 years old.

suicide vs prolonging death? They only prolong his death, not make he better or heal him. they gave him meds to prolong his death. His illness could not be reverse. He would have killed himself but was too weak to do it...too weak to eat, too weak to move, too weak to shower, sometimes too weak to talk he couldnt even shit on his own without meds and stuff. We should have to right (freely to chose..freedom of choice) what we do with our lives. At what extent do we keep someone alive?? Why because we can? Because we may not be able to cure you but we now have medical procedures to keep us alive longer? That is not living that is prolonging death.

As for the oppose side, too many ifs...if we do this than what to say this wont happen. We are talking about serious terminal ill patients and nothing more. What worst abuse is there than being kept alive to only suffer and be in pain and left to die a slow agonizing death...to prolong someone death knowing it cant be reverse. (maybe ppl who dont have to watch this..or to busy to visit their ill family members can put it out of mind and not have live with the suffering of seeing this)

Also, like the abortions law...personal I am against it but I understand why they have legalize it. It is because many will do it and what was happening is that because doctors (who would do it right) werent allow to do it, these women would go anywhere to anyone and unsafe procedures like using coat hangers to do it. And a lot of women were dying from these procedures. If they are going to do than lets do it the right and safe way with ppl who are train to.

So, my point is this by not making it legal they are having to take desperate measures like asking their love ones to kill them because they are too weak and sick to do it themselves. Of course then the family member goes to jail because they could no longer watch them suffer. It hurts so much to watch the ppl you love suffer in great pain and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it. How awful that this person last dying wish is have someone they love kill them, you know they dont want to ask that. And how awful that friend or family member will spend their life in prison. And if you dont do it..you get to hear their constant screaming of pain, and begging with everything they have but you couldnt and they suffer an awful death. It will tear you apart.

My great grandma put a bag over her head and suffocating herself. My aunt and little cousins (ages 5 and 9)found her. It is sad. Now my cousins will always have that picture in their head. Let these ppl die with some dignity.


@brake4wind
yes it was Dr. Kevorkian...he was acquitted 3 times but charge 1 time and serve a prison sentence for murder in Michigan.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

@ Soulkiss,

I agree with you. What people don't realize is that without a law in place that gives very specific guidelines as to how and who can assist in an assisted mercy suicide, then all will be convicted as murders. So basically, Brakeforwind, it wouldn't matter if you as a juror would not convict someone who say left a bottle of pills in reach of a severely suffering loved one of murder in any degree. You would be instructed by the judge to follow the law and the letter of the law in making your decision. You or anyone else would not have the luxury of saying ohh that's not murder, I vote to not convict or not guilty. So if the letter of the law is what makes the difference in determining if a loved one goes to prision for the rest of their life for murder, or if that same person is within reasonable rights to assist someone like soulkisses grandfather.

Also, know that much like Dr. Kavorkian's method, any assisted suicide where a humane method is used would be at the final hand of the person who wishes to end their life. Like pulling a string that sets off an I.V. drip. What allows them to do that is a series of reviews of medical experts and a determination that modern medicine has nothing more to offer to help that person achieve natural death without prolonged suffering and pain. Basically torture at the neglect of others and modern medicine.

[Guardian7347]

As for the oppose side, too many ifs...if we do this than what to say this wont happen. We are talking about serious terminal ill patients and nothing more.

There are no if's, it's a natural progression, and it will happen once we open Pandora's box. It may take decades, but eventually, and maybe not that far out really, the worst case scenario will become reality. I realize you're talking about only the terminally ill, and only those who are in constant pain, and I couldn't agree with you more on a personal level, but it wouldn't stop there. It would extent out eventually to any terminally ill patient, pain or no, and at some point it would extend out to those who have a lack of quality of life. I watched a grandmother die of lung cancer, and the last two months she lived in the hospital. She wasn't as bad as your grandfather, but it was stil horrific to watch. I don't take issue with your sincere desire to reduce suffering. I agree with you on that. My desire is just to protect the lives of the majority. Scarier yet, how long do you think it would take insurance companies to stop paying for someone who is terminally ill if they met the minimum criteria for a mercy death? They would, of course, have the option of continuing with their life, it just wouldn't be picked up by their insurance company, especially not medicare or anthem, pressuring people who otherwise would like to live out their last moments to go ahead and opt for the mercy killing, so as not be a burden on their families.
I know it sucks, but better the few suffer than the many. If there was ever any way to set up a means by which the terminally ill living with intolerable pain could peacefully end their lives without the threat of things getting out of hand, I would be 100% on board with it.

[BLUE]

Then it takes the one thing that makes the whole idea humane. It takes away the patients choice. It is their life. When you add in insurance companies, well that involves the big men. All they care about is money and the bottom dollar. People are living much longer these days. What if the social security got involved? Hey you are such an age, all done with you. The quality of life. What about the homeless? The mentally ill? It could go on and on. Hopefully there are enough people in the right places to makes the right decisions.

Their life, their choice. Nobody should have to suffer. More people than you think do.

[Brake4Wind]

Wow- That is a heart-wrenching experience Soulkiss. You are right about prolonged suffering when there is no hope of recovery- prolonging a painful death process is very frightening! My heart goes out to you and I thank you for sharing this painful experience so we can better understand both sides of a very difficult choice.

I vaguely recall the case of Dr. Kevorkian- the media called him "Dr. Death" but if 12 reasonable people in 3 separate juries acquitted him, it strongly suggests that there were legitimate special circumstances and these juries could not convict in all good conscience.

@Krsty- Correct me if I'm wrong but, Kevorkian didn't deny giving assistance- he felt it was the humane thing to do? If so, that would be jury nullification of a law they felt was unjustly applied. Juries can and have done this (the judge can instruct but not dictate). It's just 'not guilty' and the defendant cannot be tried again for the same crime (double indemnity- a hung jury case can be re-tried). Still, they kept prosecuting (new cases)?

I hear your concerns too Guardian! Last thing I trust is insurance and government- they are already killing people! Look how they treat Medicaid patients. Most people get their health insurance through a private employer and ERISA applies (Employees Retirement Income Security Act). All wrongful denials of coverage must go to a federal ERISA court- no jury, no penalties for malfeasance and, no attorney's fees when they force people into court. People only get what they were owed in the first place, less attorney fees (60%). There is nothing for insurance to lose by wrongful denial- plenty to gain. I have read hideous rulings that make me think we are well into that nightmare scenario but they keep that quiet in federal court with no jury/ no press- few know about this law and most are subject to it (congress excluded).

I do see our government acting with depraved indifference and I see it increasing. 1986 (?)- Supreme Court ruling on arbitration- pre-dispute waivers of our 5th amendment right to a jury (supposedly a choice) but you can't get a bank account, credit card or even a phone without your "voluntary waiver"- a private 'judge' of their choice and it's pervasive- employment discrimination (your 'choice' is to decline employment). 1989 repeal of the Glass- Stiegel Act enacted during the great depression so that banks can 'never again' gamble the depositor's money in the stock market- it's repeal led to the junk-bond mortgage melt-down of 2008 & bank bail-outs. Kelo v. City of New London (Eminent Domain)- Government was allowed to take beach-front family homes to sell to a developer- solely to increase their tax base. Dec. 31, 2011- Obama signed the NDAA (our usual military budget) but this one extended the Patriot Act to allow the indefinite detention of any US citizen- taken from US soil, held on mere 'suspicion' and without trial. When citizens can just "disappear" by the hand of our government what's to stop anyone from disappearing for any reason? As I watch our 3 branches of government shred the constitution, I can't help but share Guardian's concerns.

I don't mean to diminish highly salient arguments in favor of shortening the suffering of the terminally ill- by personal choice: I feel for those who suffer and I fear the same fate for me and my loved ones. Still, medicine has also improved. Doctors can and do increase pain medication, combine medication as 'boosters' and increase frequency to keep the patient comfortable- this is lawful (even if somewhat risky). Patients can refuse any and all types of treatment- some refuse blood transfusions; knowing they will die and choose to. IV's, breathing devices, EN-G tubes... all can be refused by patient (or family if incapacitated). There are many things I don't know but asked my mother (an R.N.). She has dealt with many terminally ill and (so far) she has succeeded in keeping the patient comfortable (pain-wise) until the passing. What she cannot do is ease the emotional pain- for patient and family, it is indeed heart-breaking.

[jojo]

A question to toss in here!
You have one chance to meet anyone you want. Who would you meet?

Princess Diana, I can't help it. That's who. and maybe Mikhail Baryshnikov

[jojo]

Cali is so scared of anything real, like weed or gay marriages this would never pass there, would it?

^That's kind of funny Jojo. California has nearly 200,000 medical marijuana dispensaries. It's the Federal Government that is the biggest risk to outlawing the practice. Gay marriage was legal for a short time until Religious activists became involved and overturned that right.

As far as assisted suicide or compassionate assisted suicide is concerned, when does what other people think is right for a suffering individual outweigh that persons right to choose death over needless suffering? If laws are written to clarify in what conditions and circumstances will no one be held criminally accountable, what is the objection then? The alternative might be for a loved one to assist in the passing of a spouse, child, parent etc. and go to jail for doing so, even though it was done to end needless suffering. When does the right of those left behind outweigh the individuals right to choose death over living hell?

I know but sometimes it all seems to go so wrong there and you think it'd be so liberal, free for all and never resisting anything. Cali should let you smoke weed in public, nothing illegal. Obv don't drive and smoke it.

Damn religious freaks! Why are they always listened to and played too?

I think it should be the person sufferings choice to say what they want, they are living it. Others are only watching it. I don't think people should go to jail for ending the suffering and pain of a loved on or friend, especially if that person asked to be helped.

When animals are in pain like horses they shoot them, don't they, to end their pain. Do people like to watch other people in pain more, or just guilt with stopping it?
Idk. We need new laws.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

There are towns in Northern California that you can smoke in public. It's not a rule or anything, it's just no one cares and the cops don't bother with a ticket. Northern California is the more liberal area.

I'm trying to think of someone who I would want to meet.....Diana is a good one, I think maybe Liz Taylor for me. Or Johnny Dep. But I would probably be so dumbfounded that I wouldn't know what to say to either of them.

[JeremyM]

A question to toss in here!
You have one chance to meet anyone you want. Who would you meet?

Jimi Hendrix and Abraham Lincoln.

[JeremyM]

Personal I am for it. I can't stand suffering. I also had a grandfather in Monotana where at the time it wasnt legal, he was suffering from cancer. There was nothing they could do for him but keep in the hospital and feed him meds. (yes he did all the treatments too). Towards the end it got really bad. He was in horrific pain even all dope up on morphine. Sometimes he didnt even know who we were. I remember going in there and having to put bread and soak it in water and put it in his month and let him suck on it because he could no longer eat. He lose all of his teeth, had bleeding gums, sores all over him. It was cruel and painful to witness. We were all just waiting for him to die, me, the family, the doctors and even him. He wanted to just be let go but it was against the law in Montana. He had no dignity left, he didnt want us to go in and see him in this state. He was left to die a slow, painful, death. He was 64 years old.

Man that is too bad, Soulkiss.

Why is Oregon the only state to have assisted suicide legalized?

I read your link, Bubby on the high % of Canadians wanting it legalized, I am shocked Canada hasn't legalized this, you all seem more liberal than us and similar to some of the places In Europe.

[DeepSleeper44]

A question to toss in here!
You have one chance to meet anyone you want. Who would you meet?

Stanley Kubrick. I think I would just die if that happened. I'd be all:

[DeepSleeper44]

I have a new question.

How do you feel about assisted suicide or mercy killings? Would you ever consider your self or someone you love as a candidate for mercy killing or assisted suicide? Under what circumstances would it be O.K.?

Currently, Oregon, Washington, Montana, Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg are the only places in the would where it is legal. California may be getting a bill on this issue soon.

Oh, I'm totally for mercy killings. If you can't possibly do anyhing to enjoy life and you're being kept alive by a machine- that's no way to live. At that point, you're only there for the people around you. Sometimes, it's just time to go and I think people need to get a hold of that reality.

[Nostalgic]

I am for it.
If I was I'll with no cure and couldn't look after myself I would want to go. It would be very hard but I would be for it if a person I loved was in a situation and wanted to go.

[Soulkiss333]

Oregon finally after much fight against most of America made Assisted Suicide legal in 1997, so we going on it's 15 year. It is called Death with Dignity Act. I am glad Oregon won that it is State law. I have to admit that Oregon out of all the places I lived (15 different states) they are some of the most interesting ppl I ever met, a very unique state.
Washington state made it legal in 2009. And Montana was in Dec of 2009 but are still going back and forth with the law.

In Oregon for the last 14 years it is all public record except the patients' name. But it has how many people did it that year and compare it to the other years. It show their race, age, gender, family status, education level, their illness, care-provider, Insurance, DWDA process, end life concerns, complications, Emergency Medical Services like Called for intervention after lethal medication ingested (%) which so far has been 0. Any referrals given to Doctors. and so on.

I will just never say it is ok to let anyone suffer when it is unnecessary. It should be their choice.

[Soulkiss333]

I would have like to met
Nikola Tesla (inventor) or Carl Jung (psychiatrist, dream analysis) ... tie for number one

Runner ups
Carl Sagan
Lao Zi (Daoism/Taoism)
Mary Shelley
Tomoe Gozen (1100s-1200s female Samurai)
Edgar Allen Poe(so many poets I would want to meet)
Thomas Edison
Buddha (even tho I am not a Buddhist)
Marie Curie (scientist)
Edward Leedskalnin (coral castle..levitation...anti-gravity)
King Arthur (if he is real)
Harry Houdini
Mark Twain
Mozart (so many musicians I would want to meet)
Plato
Da Vinci
Outlaws like Billy the Kid
Dali lama
George Noory or Art Bell

The only problem with some of my list (4) I dont speak the same language...

Oh so many but I think I should stop now.

[Jeff_in_Time]

A question to toss in here!
You have one chance to meet anyone you want. Who would you meet?

Ben Franklin, Einstein, Jesus, Stephen King, George Lucas, John Bonham, Keith Moon are some

[Jeff_in_Time]

What have or did your grandparents teach you?

Be proud of yourself, your accomplishments and laugh in the face of others who try hard to tear you down.
Because they are insecure and envious of others who really know and like themselves.
Word

[Jeff_in_Time]

And Write a Haiku about your dream life

Haikus if you don't know follow this pattern... write 3 lines, which don't need to rhyme, containing 5,7, and 5 syl­lables.

I will keep going back and answering questions in this thread I like and missed when offline >.>

Banging on the drums.
Living life and being proud.
Happiness is this.

[Jeff_in_Time]

Here is a Question for the Think Tanker's off of Pk's question.

If you were a time traveler and could go back in time any year, doesn't matter and kill an evil person, would you and who would you kill? And would you worry about a Butterfly effect happening or not?
I would go and kill Bin Laden and all his team who were planning 9/11.
You?

[physco kid]

Here is a Question for the Think Tanker's off of Pk's question.

If you were a time traveler and could go back in time any year, doesn't matter and kill an evil person, would you and who would you kill? And would you worry about a Butterfly effect happening or not?
I would go and kill Bin Laden and all his team who were planning 9/11.
You?

I'd go back to 2006. I would kill everyone of my old town. They were evil. It was raining unmentionable stuff there. Examples: Usage of drugs... Dare I continue? What made it worse is that the kids in the only elementary there were actually trying to act like their moms. So they dressed erm how do I say this... Sluts. I wouldn't care if a butterfly effect happened personally. It'd be a lil less evil out of the evils of this world.

[Nostalgic]

Here is a Question for the Think Tanker's off of Pk's question.

If you were a time traveler and could go back in time any year, doesn't matter and kill an evil person, would you and who would you kill? And would you worry about a Butterfly effect happening or not?
I would go and kill Bin Laden and all his team who were planning 9/11.
You?

There would be many I would like to go back and kill. Hitler Would be my first assanation.
I can't imagine a butterfly on this?

[Brake4Wind]

If you were a time traveler and could go back in time any year, doesn't matter and kill an evil person, would you and who would you kill? And would you worry about a Butterfly effect happening or not?

Hitler for me too, then Stalin but, yea, I would be afraid of a butterfly effect. Hitler wasn't the only Nazi- what if he had listened to his Generals more- would it have changed the outcome of the war? Stalin was as vicious as Hitler and a huge mistake was Hitler breaking the non-aggression pact- invading Russia/ getting caught in winter. Stalin needed to go before he killed Trotsky but how would that have turned out? Now I've got myself all confused.

[misha666]

Hitler for me as well. and no not afraid of a butterfly effect.
after him i would also kill my step father and my mother.
theres alot more things i would change, but this is what i would do to begin with.

[Jeff_in_Time]

Hitler seems to be the big one to kill, no one else wants to take out bin laden and his sick terrorist fooks?
I'd also worry like Brake would about that butterfly effect.

Mish, you'd go after fam too?
My boyfriend said he'd take out all the serial killers, right when each first had the thought that created their desire.
I lmao at him saying killing all the serial killers would then make him a serial killer too.

[Brake4Wind]

I lmao at him saying killing all the serial killers would then make him a serial killer too.

You have a good point there Jeff. We are talking about offing people before they have a chance to commit the crime(s) and when should we do that? At birth or... ???

[BLUE]

I lmao at him saying killing all the serial killers would then make him a serial killer too.

You have a good point there Jeff. We are talking about offing people before they have a chance to commit the crime(s) and when should we do that? At birth or... ???

Now That would be interesting! A serial killer who only kills other serial killers. What a game of minds that would be.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Isn't that what Dexter is? I think it's on Showtime.

[JeremyM]

Oregon finally after much fight against most of America made Assisted Suicide legal in 1997, so we going on it's 15 year. It is called Death with Dignity Act. I am glad Oregon won that it is State law. I have to admit that Oregon out of all the places I lived (15 different states) they are some of the most interesting ppl I ever met, a very unique state.
Washington state made it legal in 2009. And Montana was in Dec of 2009 but are still going back and forth with the law.

In Oregon for the last 14 years it is all public record except the patients' name. But it has how many people did it that year and compare it to the other years. It show their race, age, gender, family status, education level, their illness, care-provider, Insurance, DWDA process, end life concerns, complications, Emergency Medical Services like Called for intervention after lethal medication ingested (%) which so far has been 0. Any referrals given to Doctors. and so on.

I will just never say it is ok to let anyone suffer when it is unnecessary. It should be their choice.

Thank for this info, Soul.

That far back to 1997, and yet no other state can come close to doing the same thing since, doesn't that seem weird to you?

It is death with dignity, especially when some no longer have a voice to use. Washington should have been the first state, imo.

I wonder if the doctors who supply this service even though legal there get placed on some black list and if they leave that state to practice will that work against them? Man, I'd hate for either of my parents to suffer the way some of these people suffer. Makes you fucking furious.

[JeremyM]

Here is a Question for the Think Tanker's off of Pk's question.

If you were a time traveler and could go back in time any year, doesn't matter and kill an evil person, would you and who would you kill? And would you worry about a Butterfly effect happening or not?

I'd go get and kill John Wilkes Booth before he was able to assassinate President Lincoln.

Would not care about any butterfly effect, Lincoln would have gone on to do more for our country, so the results of killing Booth would have been positive, imo.

To the people wanting to kill Hitler, would you be able to kill Hitler when he was a young child, suffocate him in his crib as a baby?

Or would you only kill him as a man?

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Here you go:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... icide.html
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/29 ... cide-poll/
http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/canada/
http://www.assistedsuicide.org/suicide_laws.html

Thanks Bubby,
The last link was to most interesting to me. I do not see a reasonable argument against it as everything is being done already to ease the pain and suffering of terminal patients in this country. Obviously in some cases it is not enough. We have healthcare and palliative care in place, so not very many arguments could be made for a lack of viable options. Most people that wish to have death rather than suffer more have already exhausted those options already. It's funny how years ago SS was set up to help the elderly and terminal not end up in Sanitariums full of abuse and neglect and now that so many people think that so called entitlements are a BAD thing, but they don't want to let an individual choose for them self what death should be and when it should occur. Go figure.

[The Atomic Mango]

To the people wanting to kill Hitler, would you be able to kill Hitler when he was a young child, suffocate him in his crib as a baby?

Or would you only kill him as a man?

killing hitler wouldn't be right, in my opinion. he was a product of his environment. i think, rather than being killed, he should be kidnapped as a child and relocated to a place where he could grow up with a loving family and pursue his interests. then, maybe, we would associate him with art. he wanted to be an artist, after all. it's really tragic.

[Guardian7347]

The butterfly effect of killing Hitler would be massive, depending on when you killed him. If You did it before the war, would we have space flight now? Or would it still be in it's infancy? The Germans brought us the rocket program. What would the political make-up of the world look like? Who would have the power? Einstein wouldn't have fled Germany along with other German scientist. Would Germany be the world power instead? Would we cower before their nuclear arsenal? Would there be any nuclear arsenals at all? With all those extra men who didn't die in the war still alive, which of us would still be alive? Maybe your grandmother would have met and fell in love with a different man without the war to shift things around. What families worked their way out of poverty due to war policies? Who went broke because of it? The world would be very different indeed. I wouldn't do it. Call me selfish, but I like being me and the alternative is chaos.

[SmileAreSexy]

If you could talk to a character from any t.v show or movie, what would you say to them and why?

[SmileAreSexy]

killing hitler wouldn't be right, in my opinion. he was a product of his environment. i think, rather than being killed, he should be kidnapped as a child and relocated to a place where he could grow up with a loving family and pursue his interests. then, maybe, we would associate him with art. he wanted to be an artist, after all. it's really tragic.

Thats how I see it. I don't wish death on anyone because that would make me just as bad as them. He may deserve it but he's the killer here, not me.

[Jeff_in_Time]

I lmao at him saying killing all the serial killers would then make him a serial killer too.

You have a good point there Jeff. We are talking about offing people before they have a chance to commit the crime(s) and when should we do that? At birth or... ???

I wonder if evil is formed at birth?
Reading Mango's post is it more about environment?
Was Hitler created by his environment or was the environment created by him later on?
He had lots of supporters to carry his views out, people as warped.

[Jeff_in_Time]

The butterfly effect of killing Hitler would be massive, depending on when you killed him. If You did it before the war, would we have space flight now? Or would it still be in it's infancy? The Germans brought us the rocket program. What would the political make-up of the world look like? Who would have the power? Einstein wouldn't have fled Germany along with other German scientist. Would Germany be the world power instead? Would we cower before their nuclear arsenal? Would there be any nuclear arsenals at all? With all those extra men who didn't die in the war still alive, which of us would still be alive? Maybe your grandmother would have met and fell in love with a different man without the war to shift things around. What families worked their way out of poverty due to war policies? Who went broke because of it? The world would be very different indeed. I wouldn't do it. Call me selfish, but I like being me and the alternative is chaos.

Killin' Hitler when in power would be difficult, didn't he constantly have himself surrounded by bodyguards?
And weren't there many failed assassination attempts made on his life?
Be easier to kill him as an infant, or toddler like in the Omen movie, they failed and Evil took its power.

Hitler scenario would have alot of butterfly effects attached, but I still think so many peeps would still do it.
Stalin was no prize either, lmao.

[tropicalheatwave]

ok let me catch up.

We should have to right (freely to chose..freedom of choice) what we do with our lives. At what extent do we keep someone alive?? Why because we can? Because we may not be able to cure you but we now have medical procedures to keep us alive longer? That is not living that is prolonging death.

i agree with that.

You have one chance to meet anyone you want. Who would you meet?

nobody at the moment

If you were a time traveler and could go back in time any year, doesn't matter and kill an evil person, would you and who would you kill? And would you worry about a Butterfly effect happening or not?

i wouldn't kill anyone.

If you could talk to a character from any t.v show or movie, what would you say to them and why?

i don't care to talk with any characters.

[Nostalgic]

On hiltler, I can agree with what everyone is saying. He was just the first to pop into my mind.

If you could talk to a character from any t.v show or movie, what would you say to them and why?

Umm.... No one really.

[Brake4Wind]

I wonder if evil is formed at birth?Reading Mango's post is it more about environment?Was Hitler created by his environment or was the environment created by him later on? He had lots of supporters to carry his views out, people as warped.

I think it's a combination of environment and choice. After all- There are people who had terrible childhoods but became great and, there are others who had great childhoods but became terrible. My guess is that Hitler's anger began by feeling inadequate; he did poorly in school- largely out of spite; had no talent for art and no prerequisites to pursue architecture- he blamed others and sought revenge- blind revenge. The Nazi party wasn't the majority when they seized power (some 30%?) yet, it was too large to be ignored. Many historians believe that the seeds of WWII were planted in the first Great War. There was a world depression and Germany was required to pay reparations for WWI- increasing economic stress. Many felt the sting of humiliation (the opposite is domination/superior race) and, there were many angry young men; ripe for recruitment as Nazis. They relished opportunity for violence- still do if we observe the Neo-Nazis allowed to march in our own streets- spewing hate and spoiling for a fight.

[*~*Isis*~*]

If you could talk to a character from any t.v show or movie, what would you say to them and why?

At the moment? Prince Arin from "Teddy Ruxpin." I would talk about how he scared the hell out of me when I was 5. LOL

[physco kid]

Tossing question in...

Do you ever have a Your-foot-in mouth moment? (Meaning you say something you regret or it comes back at you)

[BLUE]

Yes pk about every other moment.