just curious

[TheJoker]

i dont want to start an argument, just your personal belief and why. do you believe that we were created by a higher power? or do you believe that we evolved? for me, i believe that we evolved. because if you look at human DNA and primeate DNA, they are similar. now i'm sure that someone here will say that if we did evolve from then their wouldnt be any primates left. but someday, i bet there wont be. another reason that i believe that we evolved is that there is no evidence of a higher power. all that people go by is a book that has changed many times throughout history and many diffrent versions. not to mention, if their is a God, then all of human kind would share the same religion. of course thats just my belifs please dont start an argument with me or tell me i'm wrong for what i believe in. and i will do the same

[Dorn]

do you believe that we were created by a higher power? or do you believe that we evolved?

How does one exclude the other?

not to mention, if their is a God, then all of human kind would share the same religion.

How come?

[Nostalgic]

My brain just doesn't allow me to beleive in a higher power.
I admit the idea of a higher power is nice but I just don't beleive.

I block a lot of things with what I think is impossible, gods, astral travel, controlling lucid dreams etc etc.
Sometimes I wish I could reprogramne my brain

[TheJoker]

do you believe that we were created by a higher power? or do you believe that we evolved?

How does one exclude the other?

not to mention, if their is a God, then all of human kind would share the same religion.

How come?

for your first question, people who believe that their is a higher power, dont believe in evolution.

as for your second question, one God, one religion

[Dorn]

people who believe that their is a higher power, dont believe in evolution.

One can have faith in God, as I do, while simultaneously recognizing evolution, or natural selection to be more specific. Evolution, contrary to faith, is a matter of scientific fact. And since faith and fact are irreconcilable when conjoined, why not keep them separated?

as for your second question, one God, one religion

That doesn't explain how humankind could interpret this one God into a singular set of values. By the way, does this hypothetical universality include language as well?

[DRLHyper]

people who believe that their is a higher power, dont believe in evolution.

One can have faith in God, as I do, while simultaneously recognizing evolution, or natural selection to be more specific. Evolution, contrary to faith, is a matter of scientific fact. And since faith and fact are irreconcilable when conjoined, why not keep them separated?

Science does not explicitly deny religion; only fantasy. On contrary, most religions exclude a 'evolutionary' process and state that God(s) made living beings 'as is'.

[RockPillow®]

just your personal belief and why.

Already on it!

I believe celery is a healthy snack because it helps you poop and doubles as floss.

[St. Dymphna]

evolution the tool through which god creates
most people of both faith and non faith are equally offended by this; silly

[Dorn]

Science does not explicitly deny religion; only fantasy. On contrary, most religions exclude a 'evolutionary' process and state that God(s) made living beings 'as is'.

I don't know of any major religion which excludes evolution as such. Even bishops in the Catholic church acknowledge it, like neoliberals, as long as the invisible "hand of God" is given mention.

As you can see here, the numbers are primarily a matter of education (or a lack thereof).

[Isis of lumuria]

well joker for me i believe both. simply cause no one knows exactly how life got started here on earth be4 there were any life forms.

[DRLHyper]

Science does not explicitly deny religion; only fantasy. On contrary, most religions exclude a 'evolutionary' process and state that God(s) made living beings 'as is'.

I don't know of any major religion which excludes evolution as such. Even bishops in the Catholic church acknowledge it, like neoliberals, as long as the invisible "hand of God" is given mention.

Invisible hand of God = Invisible hand of the Market.

As you can see here, the numbers are primarily a matter of education (or a lack thereof).

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Irrelevant.

It is A or B; it can not be A + B. The Bible is specific on how much time humans, Earth, and such were created. Either the Bible is true, or it is not. I personally do not believe it to be.

[Dorn]

As you can see here, the numbers are primarily a matter of education (or a lack thereof).

Irrelevant.

Considering that Catholicism is dogmatic and strictly hierarchical, the interpretation of Scripture follows specific doctrines.

And the position of the Vatican is that any member of the Catholic church may agree to either A or A+B--but not B alone--as the foundation for the believer's perspective.

The Bible is specific on how much time humans, Earth, and such were created. Either the Bible is true, or it is not. I personally do not believe it to be.

You are referring to the Torah or Pentateuch which is only taken literally by a minority of Orthodox Jews, Christian sectarian fundamentalists, and Sarah Palin.

[DRLHyper]

Considering that Catholicism is dogmatic and strictly hierarchical, the interpretation of Scripture follows specific doctrines.

And the position of the Vatican is that any member of the Catholic church may agree to either A or A+B--but not B alone--as the foundation for the believer's perspective..

Regardless, you can not have your cake and eat it. Either the Bible is true in it's entiry or it is false. I will proceed to explain in your next point:

You are referring to the Torah or Pentateuch which is only taken literally by a minority of Orthodox Jews, Christian sectarian fundamentalists, and Sarah Palin.

Let us suppose the Bible is metaphorical, then. But that then disavows the possibility of taking anything literally. By metaphores, Jesus may be just an invention, the Apostoles groups of men that followed certain beliefs; etc. In short, you can either have laws or guidelines, not both. If the Bible provides guidelines, you can not take anything of what it says as literal... Then how much can you take as a guideline and what do you discard?

[Dorn]

And the position of the Vatican is that any member of the Catholic church may agree to either A or A+B--but not B alone--as the foundation for the believer's perspective..

Regardless, you can not have your cake and eat it.

Well, that happens to be the position of the Catholic church, which is susceptible to doctrinal vicissitude.

Either the Bible is true in it's entiry or it is false.

Truth and fact aren't one and the same. Facts need to be verifiable. Truth, on the other hand, is something more. It needs an appropriate theoretical framework to even be considered as such. Can we, therefore, agree on "truth as consensus" before we proceed, or do you prefer an altogether different perspective?

You are referring to the Torah or Pentateuch which is only taken literally by a minority of Orthodox Jews, Christian sectarian fundamentalists, and Sarah Palin.

Let us suppose the Bible is metaphorical, then. But that then disavows the possibility of taking anything literally.

Plato and Aristotle, both writing in clear prose, had already set the cultural standard, influencing generations of Roman men of letters, before Christianity appeared with its prophetic and revelatory lyric poetry. Don't forget that Western culture stems from two nodes: Athens and Jerusalem.

By metaphores, Jesus may be just an invention, the Apostoles groups of men that followed certain beliefs; etc. In short, you can either have laws or guidelines, not both. If the Bible provides guidelines, you can not take anything of what it says as literal... Then how much can you take as a guideline and what do you discard?

Of course the text is not all metaphorical (as in simile, analogy, allegory, etc.) but also in the form of paradox, metonymy, allusion, parable, and many other different tropes.

Moreover, the New Testament is the book of grace. Its guidelines presents faith in Jesus as the path of the righteous, and love (agape) as the fulfillment of Mosaic law.

[The Atomic Mango]

there are christians who believe in evolution. surprising, isn't it?

me, i believe in evolution. i don't know enough whether to believe in a higher power or not. and i don't really care to know. even if there were a higher power, i would not worship it. for me, there is no reason to.

[Daniel24]

I wouldn’t say I believe in evolution…I have an understanding of it in the same way I understand that gravity holds me to the ground. To me to use the word believe implies trust or faith that it is true, but these things are not necessary when there is evidence that evolution is true. We understand the mechanisms of evolution, how we and creatures evolve, and we use evolution to make predictions of the world around us.

[Belvadere]

i dont want to start an argument, just your personal belief and why. do you believe that we were created by a higher power? or do you believe that we evolved? for me, i believe that we evolved. because if you look at human DNA and primeate DNA, they are similar. now i'm sure that someone here will say that if we did evolve from then their wouldnt be any primates left. but someday, i bet there wont be. another reason that i believe that we evolved is that there is no evidence of a higher power. all that people go by is a book that has changed many times throughout history and many diffrent versions. not to mention, if their is a God, then all of human kind would share the same religion. of course thats just my belifs please dont start an argument with me or tell me i'm wrong for what i believe in. and i will do the same

I say both.
We evolved I believe, yes.
And with life being so difficult it is nice, and comforting to have faith in something. If only faith in the universe and faith, or if it is a HP even better, because I know for damn sure I don't control anything except my own actions and reactions.
I can and do believe in a power greater than myself. Be it God, karma, nature, whatever I say a few prayers every night when I don't forget which isn't often. I can call them prayers, wishes or hopes. Can an atheist have hope I wonder? I am simply spiritual. I do not agree with everything anyone or any One thing says is Is. I am my own person and I hope like heck this isn't all there is. If hope is all i have, I'll take it and someday RIP. Hope everyone does the same!

belvadere