Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

[JeremyM]

@Jeremy M: Consider the following interpretation as a supplement to the above, especially with regards to the immanent conflict with the paternal authority figure.

You and your dad are bonding (going fishing). The boat on the water, with hunting gear, displays the careful and meticulous manner in which you approach this unclear situation (mist). However, as the sun breaks through the clouds--"lightening up," as it were--your recollection (vision) clears up and a "new dawn" is made present. Clarity replaces the muddled thoughts.

The bald eagle landing on a big rock is a condensation (compound metaphor) rife with symbolism: it marks your heritage (national symbol), foundation, source of pride, even "Morning in America" (in all its naive ambiguity) when conjoined with the break of dawn. This moment is then rounded off with each of you cracking open beers--in other words, the male bonding is realized and the wish for reconciliation fulfilled.

Then comes the anticlimax. A large group of ducks appear out of nowhere, rapturing the dream's texture--that is, they are instances of chaos breaking out of your unconscious. And in the midst of the turbulence the hunters--displacements of you and your dad--end up killing and thereby shattering the very thing which ties you together (the bald eagle).

In conclusion, the message is quite harsh. Whatever separates you and your dad is irreconcilable and cannot be mended.

Thanks for your help too, Dorn.

Yes, it seemed like a day like my dad and I have had, a good time together, carefree. Then chaos.

Everything was calm when things were foggy, but when the mist lifted and the eagle was spotted it changed.

I felt the eagle being spotted was a fortunate incident for us, obviously it was not. lolz I did think after I woke up why would an eagle land so low and on a rock?

So the cheers was for hidden personal reasons? Not only for the sighting. Like I told pscyho kid, me and my dad get on great, I respect him above any one else I know. If I could be even half the man he is I'd be proud. We have no conflict in real life, nothing is left unspoken between us.

Why was my dad the more outraged of the two after the killing, why wasn't I as outraged? Was the eagle his dreams for me?

[Dorn]

@JeremyM: As we dream, we process thoughts by distorting them into imagery. That's why there is no causality in dreams, only a set of atemporal events.

What is particular in this dream, however, are the two moments in which the atmosphere shifts. The first is the arrival of the bald eagle, the second the rapture of ducks followed by gunfire (unconscious eruption). What is relevant to both is that they are outcomes (syntheses) of you and your dads relationship. The condensed symbol (bald eagle) is quite hard to work out, but it appears to be a trophy or totem with a specific meaning (before which your dad is "most impressed"). Regardless, this symbol is destroyed by you, unconsciously; the hunters' gunfire is a displacement.

What makes me suspicious, moreover, is the formulation that "nothing is left unspoken" between you and your dad. You see, in the dream, he speaks and leads whereas you follow and keep silent.

[parousia]

When ai takes over, what will man be needed for?

[Dorn]

When ai takes over, what will man be needed for?

You're hopelessly stuck in the '80s, Yeshua.

[parousia]

I'm at least 2 centuries ahead of the curve, Dorn.
Do you keep using that name because of my fascination with the divine, or because my name is Josh?

[Dorn]

I'm at least 2 centuries ahead of the curve, Dorn.

Two contradictory points.

1. There is no ahead in Texas.
2. That 21st century energy crisis will make it difficult to fuel the AI.

Do you keep using that name because of my fascination with the divine, or because my name is Josh?

One does not exclude the other.

[SharA2]

Interesting Shar,
So do you think they were talking about the Jews at that time? Or Romans or just anyone who did not accept The Father God and his son Jesus? Or are you saying it applies to anyone who does not follow the teachings of Jesus to the T?

Yes, I think they most likely were, that is not how I personally feel, I think the bible like other things teaches prejudices and hates against other religious faiths and communities, back then and now as well. I would assume anyone who struck out against the teachings of Christ would be seen as an enemy and follower of the antichrist-- that whole debate is so very narrow minded, imo. Not what others are discussing here, I find it interesting as well, but within the Bible I find it pathetic-- Sorry if that offends anyone. They claim that the antichrist will be the devil's perfect partner. Who really knows. The world has plenty of evil people ruling as we type on this website, oppressing, killing others, I find it depressing to think we should have to worry a greater evil that is quickly approaching us from Biblical lore.

[SharA2]

Although California did not want gay marriages, I think they are trying again in 2012? That surprised me that of all states to deny that right, California was one. Did that surprise you?

Yes, it surprised me. I never thought liberal ethnic minorities (Hispanics and African-Americans predominantly) would coalesce with conservative Christians to remove equal rights for same-sex couples. Moreover, from June to November 2008, California was the only place in the U.S. where same-sex marriages were granted full marriage licences; that is, until Proposition 8 overruled the law.

Strangely enough, Proposition 8 was deemed unconstitutional by a district judge in 2010, but the ban will remain in place until after a new referendum in 2012.

If I lived in California I would feel saddened by that situation and would set myself out in front of who mattered ( lawmakers, news cameras, etc.) and protest and spotlight the shame of such a backwards way of thinking. California is such a large state, it has many voices and why so many shy away is surprising on this specific topic. If they were being progressive, what or who stopped that progress and caused such a dramatic shift? religious groups? The number 8 is supposed to signify new beginnings and resurrection.

Started out with my dad and I going fishing one early am. It was one of those misty mornings where you can barely see in front of you, we loaded up our boat and went out to a spot we heard was a proven area and waited.

The sun was trying to work its way through the mist and clouds and we could see alot more around us. There was a big rock not far in the distance and we noticed a bald eagle land on it.

My dad was most impressed, we cracked open 2 beers and cheers to its presence. Then a large group of ducks came out of a marsh area and flew past, spooking the eagle and having it take flight with them.

In that commotion shots rang out, alot of them. It was hunters waiting for the ducks and dropping from the sky was our friend the bald eagle, it landed between both of our feet. We stared at it and then at each other in shock, wtf. My dad cried out " YOU BASTARDS "

I used to interpret dreams, have not for awhile but I will try to add to what the other two poster's offered you, JeremyM.

To me an eagle represents freedom, or perhaps the feelings of your lack of freedoms in your life. Your dream tells of a happy existence, a carefree nature of being one with someone you love and enjoying nature. When you toast or make a toast with another it is for a happy life, good fortune I feel. Like people do at weddings, wishing others well.
Your dad wishes you to be happy in your life, to live the American dream. ( symbol of the eagle)-- But nothing in life ever really goes smoothly, does it? Not even with the best laid plans we make can we "duck" out from confronting hardships that may step into our sights( as the hunters had the ducks in their sights). Maybe the eagle represented you, you feel you are having your own freedoms stripped away, either through a relationship, through finances etc.-- I did read about your recent engagement ( that is a big deal to most men and women, it causes some fears too)Your life will change, change is not a bad thing, unless you fear it, and they it can plague your thoughts and dreams in very peculiar ways. Of course your dad would be angered, he wants the best for you always as any parent does, even when we do not want it for ourselves-- they still do. The hunters represent people in your life taking something away from you, your dad hates them and what he isn't able to help you deal with that may be happening around you now. Maybe there is some guilt on your dad's part? I do not know. But you remained silent because as the eagle was killed you lost your own voice. A lot is going on in this dream, I barely touched on most of it, you should ask Brake4wind and tsetse to join the discussion on your dream too.
Here is the Christian Eagle meaning:
"Associated with the Christ himself. Because the eagle seems to easily ascend the skies, looking into the sun with unblinking focus, we relate symbolism of Christ's unblinking faith in the Way, the Truth, and the Light. We also see themes of renewal (baptism) as the eagle plunges the soul of man into the sea, and lifts them out renewed and cleansed."
The Eagle also represents these qualities:
Opportunity
Protection
Guardianship
Masculinity
Dominance
Control
Freedom
Community
Command
Action
Authority
Skill
Focus
Determination
Vision
Power
Liberation
Inspiration
Ruler
Judgment-- Relate these to your own self and what you feel could relate. Blessings.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Nice posts SharA2,

I agree with you on the religious point. But I still look to the Bible for wisdom and comfort and always find different ways to relate to it. California is a huge state. My friend and I were talking about the population of Alaska compared to the population of L. A. County. L.A. is like 11 time more populated than Alaska. However, I notice that California is not as Liberal as it was just 10 years ago. The voting demographics is changing and becoming more conservative. Orange County to the south of L.A. is very conservative. It is a large county as well and highly populated. I think the way you do on several points about Gay Marriage.

I also think you had a wonderful take on JeremyM's dream. I never knew all the things an eagle represented. It is a wonderful and complicated dream symbol.

[jojo]

It is about those top countries being able to do something our country is clearly incapable of doing

like what?

Maybe we could try to examine what is working so great in those top countries and adopt those same education policies and practices.
They might have incentives towards teaching ( teachers) and students that advance them, maybe they have longer days at school, or they do not have lots of school fundings cut like we do here. Why can't we be as good or better?

[jojo]

Less crazy in my internet readings the better. I assume hey they have it posted and it is a minister they must know what they are spouting. Maybe he was pushing his own agenda?

Very likely. And he wouldn't be the first. What annoys me is the literal reading of Scripture, as if it were a phone book or a calendar. Like dreams, biblical texts require a very different approach where you can never be quite certain regarding what is representative, symbolic, allegorical, metonymic, or in any other way hidden from immediate view.

Is it like if you were to worship a false idol and you are condemned for breaking a commandment?

There is no "breaking" of a commandment. Paul the Apostle explained it this way:

Romans 13:9-10
The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not covet," and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love [agape, as distinguished from eros, storge or philia] does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

What distinguishes Christianity from Judaism is the concrescence of all commandments into one--agape.

the antichrist is seen as a false god.

Antichrists are referred to in the plural as living persons with breath/spirit (pneuma) who are deceivers, liars, and deniers of Christ; there is no passage in which they are presented divinely. See for yourself. They are mentioned in 1 John 2:18, 2:22, 4:3, and 2 John 1:7.

I don't really think there will be a end of the world like people predict or that they will be an antichrist, but some small grain of truth must come from all those writings.

I believe there is far more than a "small grain" of truth, and that is precisely why the Bible shouldn't be interpreted frivolously but with great care.

Notice it says "in" not "on" their hand and foreheads.

That's an idiosyncrasy particular to the King James translation. The Greek word epi, which is used in the original writing, means "on."

If he is a real minister it his mission to strike fear into us whatever way possible to make us good and faithful followers. Be refreshing if a minister/priest etcs went off scripture and said, this is all hogwash. Use your common sense first. Never heard of one who did.

Thanks, I'll read all the John passages you listed. So it is still supposed to be on us, as in stamped or tatted?

The bible is like the Grimm's fairytales.

As for the mark of the beast, there is good reason to lean more towards "in" rather than "on". RFID's. It's the great answer to everything and can easily be touted as being "for our own good". just imagine if you will, a chip they can implant just under the skin that can hold all your personal information, medical records, credit history and financial records. It could be touted as a way to prevent identity theft. All your data is in one place...under your skin. you wave your hand over a scanner at the store and the funds are automatically deducted from your account. If you get into an accident, they wave a scanner over your hand and can pull up all your medical records, including allergies and health conditions. These are already available for use on pets. They are used "in case your pet is ever lost, they can read the owners name and phone number off of this tag. Sounds wonderful until you think about how long it would take before what was optional became mandatory. First up would be federal employees and Social security recipients. "Do this or you can't get your money". It wouldn't take long before you couldn't trade or do business without the chip...the mark.

But we can't be forced against our will to be implanted? Will they make it appear like alien abductions conducted by the government to stage something and implant 1000's at a time?

Or like say it is some new vaccine and have people go in at then implant? They do this already to pets?

When ai takes over, what will man be needed for?

Man as in mankind or just men in general?

[Sanick]

Suicide... This one is tough. I have many of friends who have passed this barrier and have gone into the next life without me. I hate suicide, and want to be against it because i envy them, I am greedy and want them back! They left me and i am filled with anger over it.
However, my closest friend had shrapnel in his body that the doctors couldn't remove. He had metal in one of his knee joints, wedged through his sternum and in his heart, and one more in his neck. He couldnt walk without pain, he couldnt eat or breath without pain, and if his heart rate got too high, the shrapnel in his heart would tear at his vital organ. He couldnt take the pain anymore and did away with it.

Suicide is something i WANT to be against, i want to fight it, and save everyone. However that isnt possible. Suicide is a way out for some...For others, its about finally being pain free. It will always be around i fear, and we must all become more vigilant against it to stop those who CAN be saved, and support those who cant.

[quote="JWere you as angry at your friend who was in so much pain that he ended his pain for good? Horrible what happened to him, ambushed by a mine?

No...No i am not angry at him for making the decision to no longer live in pain. Whats the point in living if he cant do a damn thing? If you couldnt walk without Morphine, If you couldn't breath without Morphine, couldnt want scary movies, couldnt get overly excited (as in Sex, Or a scary movie, Or anything like that)

Would you really want to continue to live? Live in a stoned, High stupor? He couldnt even remember his friends.

His truck was hit by an RPG, The resulting explosion blew the side of the vehicle in and acted like a shotgun, peppering him.

[tropicalheatwave]

Maybe we could try to examine what is working so great in those top countries and adopt those same education policies and practices.

maybe. i see nothing wrong with gaining more knowledge. i just think we have become too identified with our knowledge. EDIT: i took out the excessive junk.

Why can't we be as good or better?

true but why compare? why should we be like korea or vice versa?

It is about those top countries being able to do something our country is clearly incapable of doing

like what?

you still didn't answer this. what are those "top" countries capable of doing that we are not?

[Dorn]

If he is a real minister it his mission to strike fear into us whatever way possible to make us good and faithful followers.

His fundamentalist sect consists of barely 7,000 followers worldwide. And if his internet drivel is used to attract more members, it really makes me wonder what his sermons look like.

Be refreshing if a minister/priest etcs went off scripture and said, this is all hogwash. Use your common sense first. Never heard of one who did.

Yeah? You must be Catholic.

So it is still supposed to be on us, as in stamped or tatted?

Bearing a mark of the beast on one's forehead does not have to be considered as such. Resist the literal reading.

The bible is like the Grimm's fairytales.

It's the other way around. The founding documents of Western culture have determined storytelling for nearly 3,200 years. These texts are, in chronological order, Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, the Old Testament, the Greek tragedies (especially Aeschylus and Sophocles), Plato's Republic, and the New Testament. These works have contributed to the development of the genres we know as epic-heroic poetry (Homer, Old Testament), drama (Greek tragedies), prose (Plato), and lyric poetry (New Testament).

[parousia]

How can such an intelligent person possibly believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ?
It just absolutely blows my mind....anyway, I was fantasizing the other night about the future me, and I got lost ..hurr:

I can only assume that great apes look at humans as another apes. I can also imagine that monkeys look at apes as other monkeys, but what I can't picture is what's beyond the human form. Not so much as what's in space, but what will be here, on Earth. There is very little in the way of genetics that separate us from the ape, but it's enough of a difference to keep them in the forest and put us in the sky, literally. So what would a human - er, superhuman look like if he was just a little further along in the evolutionary process? Would we recognize him, or could we recognize him for that matter?

[RockPillow®]

Am I the only person who thinks that failure is the only way to truly succeed?

[physco kid]

Am I the only person who thinks that failure is the only way to truly succeed?

Nope. *Raises hand*
How else would you learn then succeed?

Yay Something i can hop in on!!! XD

[JeremyM]

Am I the only person who thinks that failure is the only way to truly succeed?

No, I think it too. Getting knocked down makes you pick yourself up with even more determination and purpose to succeed.

Too many times it could break a lesser person, but everything is a lesson to be learned from and failure is no different.

[JeremyM]

@JeremyM: As we dream, we process thoughts by distorting them into imagery. That's why there is no causality in dreams, only a set of atemporal events.

What is particular in this dream, however, are the two moments in which the atmosphere shifts. The first is the arrival of the bald eagle, the second the rapture of ducks followed by gunfire (unconscious eruption). What is relevant to both is that they are outcomes (syntheses) of you and your dads relationship. The condensed symbol (bald eagle) is quite hard to work out, but it appears to be a trophy or totem with a specific meaning (before which your dad is "most impressed"). Regardless, this symbol is destroyed by you, unconsciously; the hunters' gunfire is a displacement.

What makes me suspicious, moreover, is the formulation that "nothing is left unspoken" between you and your dad. You see, in the dream, he speaks and leads whereas you follow and keep silent.

So this dream and all dreams are worries I have, we all have in are daily lives? Dreams are our therapy sessions. lolz

I can't figure why the eagle landed so low on a rock in the water by us? That is odd, why not by us in a tall tree, lots of trees around in that dream.

Weird thing is my dad is retired, doing well, he doesn't have any of the concerns I have in my life now, sure when my age he did, but our life concerns are different. But he has always been supportive of me and my choices.

I don't know why he screamed at the killing over me doing so, maybe because he is the parent, I am the child? We never had a bad father and son dynamic, after the death of my brother[by his own hand] I got to know my dad better, we get each other. On my part no animosity towards him.

[JeremyM]

I used to interpret dreams, have not for awhile but I will try to add to what the other two poster's offered you, JeremyM.

To me an eagle represents freedom, or perhaps the feelings of your lack of freedoms in your life. Your dream tells of a happy existence, a carefree nature of being one with someone you love and enjoying nature. When you toast or make a toast with another it is for a happy life, good fortune I feel. Like people do at weddings, wishing others well.
Your dad wishes you to be happy in your life, to live the American dream. ( symbol of the eagle)-- But nothing in life ever really goes smoothly, does it? Not even with the best laid plans we make can we "duck" out from confronting hardships that may step into our sights( as the hunters had the ducks in their sights). Maybe the eagle represented you, you feel you are having your own freedoms stripped away, either through a relationship, through finances etc.-- I did read about your recent engagement ( that is a big deal to most men and women, it causes some fears too)Your life will change, change is not a bad thing, unless you fear it, and they it can plague your thoughts and dreams in very peculiar ways. Of course your dad would be angered, he wants the best for you always as any parent does, even when we do not want it for ourselves-- they still do. The hunters represent people in your life taking something away from you, your dad hates them and what he isn't able to help you deal with that may be happening around you now. Maybe there is some guilt on your dad's part? I do not know. But you remained silent because as the eagle was killed you lost your own voice. A lot is going on in this dream, I barely touched on most of it, you should ask Brake4wind and tsetse to join the discussion on your dream too.
Here is the Christian Eagle meaning:
"Associated with the Christ himself. Because the eagle seems to easily ascend the skies, looking into the sun with unblinking focus, we relate symbolism of Christ's unblinking faith in the Way, the Truth, and the Light. We also see themes of renewal (baptism) as the eagle plunges the soul of man into the sea, and lifts them out renewed and cleansed."
The Eagle also represents these qualities:
Opportunity
Protection
Guardianship
Masculinity
Dominance
Control
Freedom
Community
Command
Action
Authority
Skill
Focus
Determination
Vision
Power
Liberation
Inspiration
Ruler
Judgment-- Relate these to your own self and what you feel could relate. Blessings.

You offered me alot here, thanks, hun. I'll go over all the characteristics mentioned at the end.

Like I asked Dorn previously above this reply, can you understand why the eagle may have landed on a rock and not on a tree, is that symbol important?

You are right to say about me feeling freedoms are being taking away from me, yes, getting engaged was a big decision, it will be life changing. And I also have issues with work and coworkers that could represent that removal of rights and freedoms too. So that does reflect in my rl. Nailed that.

So you think I could be the eagle in my dream too? A watcher on my own life, good and bad. So I was killed or witnessed my death because? Would or could explain my dad's anger at the killing too and not mine. Like a spirit rising from my own body to observe. Weird shit.

Is the eagle a positive dream symbol to see? Even if the dream was not positive?

Forgot to say I will hit up Brake4wind and tsetse like you suggested. Get some blanks filled in. Thanks everyone.

[Guardian7347]

But we can't be forced against our will to be implanted? Will they make it appear like alien abductions conducted by the government to stage something and implant 1000's at a time?

Or like say it is some new vaccine and have people go in at then implant? They do this already to pets?

No trickery can be used. It has to be done willingly, but you can be coerced. It will end up being one of those things where it becomes harder and harder to funtion in your day to day life without it. Social Security checks will be scanned onto your checks. They'll stop doing automatic deposits. More and more businesses will take payment via a hand swipe. Having a bank account isn't required, but how hard is it to operate in today's world without one? Most workplaces require you to have one for payroll purposes. Cell phones aren't required, but good luck getting around without one. Same with computers. Technology is forced upon us more and more.

Yes, it's already done in pets for tracking purposes in the event of lost pets. A couple of years ago I read about some japanese group trying to drum up support for doing the same to old people who were going senile. The premise was that if grampy should forget and wander off the reservation alone, they could activate the RFID beacon and figure out where he was for his loved ones or the police to go pick up. Sounds like a reasonable idea, doesn't it? Until you start to think about the implications of that. After you hit the senile and old, who's next? The criminals of course. You tag them in case they become repeat offenders you know where to find them. You can track chld molestors and make sure they're staying away from schools, etc. Which leads to the next group to get hit, children. Same principles as with old people. Safety. Eventually we all lose our privacy.

[Brake4Wind]

Hey Jeremy,
There are some outstanding interpretations of your dream here! I'll try to add without being redundant. What I see in the first scene is the bond between father and son with your father as your greatest mentor. Fishing seems to symbolize a search for new ideas and drawing upon combined resources (the son is a father's greatest resource). The early mist lends mystery and adventure to the setting as you head for a "proven area" or what is tried and true based on experience. Upon reaching your destination, the sun peeks through the clouds for greater clarity. To me, the eagle on the rock signifies promise (American dream as noted) and the rock is solid- something we expect to remain in place: You toast to a bright future. The other significance in the eagle is independence (yours at the "proven" area); there is strength, skill with a feeling of pride and accomplishment in seeing these qualities.

The anti-climax follows the unexpected: Ducks from the marsh and the hunters stalking them. I think there is significance in the eagle being spooked by the ducks: He is predator/ not prey- he may fly after the ducks giving chase but not "with them". It becomes a tragic error in judgment that's a trap in youth because we haven't yet developed the foresight that comes with greater experience. In the hunters we see men that kill for sport (rather than need) and they shoot with buckshot or the scatter/ catch all effect; selfish and unconcerned with harming anything else that may get in their way.

It strikes me as a warning dream. Many love and respect others ('fishers of men') but some are like the hunters; reckless and ruthless (beware/ be aware). The eagle's mistake was to follow impetuously (leaving his rock) when his nature is to act independently; his eyes and instincts are keen and he is a born leader.

[Bubbydoll]

I posted on that old version.

Shout out to Misha, Cassidy, GarG, Bubbydoll, Diclonius, Xwikki. Only see GarG and Bubbydoll around.

Something that hasn't change about Jeremy is my love of music.

My previous GF had an abortion and never let me know about it until she had done the deed. Wasn't cool by me at the time that I wasn't even told. She was deep into drugs and had other issues.

Hi Jeremy. Thanks for the shout out, not sure most on that list saw that, they do not post in this thread and Cassidylynn has been off the forums for over 2 months. Check end of locked Rant and Rave think Tank thread.

I loved reading everyone's Haikus. Wonderful.

To Jojo...on the Antichrist topic, I think it is prolly ridiculous to believe in such things happening. I went to a church, not my families regular church when younger, it was a church of a relative and they had youth groups and during one time there they showed us a end of world movie about the antichrist and the 666 mark. It was clearly meant to scare us kids, that was all who sat in that room and watched it. I think after seeing that and thinking what nonsense and stupidity is this, I asked not to go to church anymore, haha. I didn't swallow much bunk even back then, shameful.

[Bubbydoll]

heres something to play around with. what do you think of the education system in your country?
i think it's useful only to a limit. you need basic reading, writing, and math to function in the world and you also need to deal with different people. but i also think schools go to far.
it seems like schools try to get you to become a slave to the expectations of society. it starts from the very beginning. you are given a test and if you don't pass or follow the expectations of your teacher, they'll make you feel like a failure. and if you do pass or follow their standards then they'll boost your ego by making you feel good. thats why they have honor roll and all that crap. and this will continue in almost everything whether it be at work, school, family, religion, etc. because of this i feel most people are afarid of failure and not living up to other peoples standards.

According to Jeremy's chart Canada and Australia are doing fairly well on most fronts. Not sure how accurate those readings are but...
I know in school the classes I did well in were the ones where I had motivated, interested, happy to be there teaching us teachers, they loved their jobs and seeing us daily and that made me want to give as much back to them. I think during high school I only had 5-6 teachers that fit that standard, pretty sad. So most of my classes I was bored, or I should say as bored as my teachers were, clock watching and doodling. I prefer teachers who made learning fun, creative, lots of class participation, not open your book and figure it out, or if your hand went up it seemed like a hardship for them to get up off their asses and help you and gawd forbid you wanted after school help. I did well in school because I wanted to make my parents proud, but I pushed myself, my teachers never really pushed me.

[Bubbydoll]

When ai takes over, what will man be needed for?

Ever see the movie with Bruce Willis movie, Surrogates? I found that idea interesting. On your question, nothing replaces human bonds, once you had it you will always desire it, I think.

Everyone is welcomed to post their dreams in here like Jeremy did. You have some wonderful replies so far on your dream, I do not interpret dreams for others and barely even for myself but I did google something for you if you wanted to look at it. In reading over your dream and seeing it is primarily focused on the eagle, and you questioned if there was meaning to why it landed low instead of high, I found you this.

If you dream of a bald eagle then chances are it is because you are American and are fairly patriotic. For an honest answer to why you might be dreaming of bald eagles, just think about your relationship to the country of America and how you feel about it. Are you okay with the president and what he is doing in office? How do you feel about the follow through on certain public policies? Do you essentially agree with everything that is being done?

It is common for people to dream of the bald eagle when their level of patriotism is called into question. This is not to say that you are being grilled on your allegiance to the country necessarily, but it is to say that you might have a few reservations about what is going on in the country politically. This would mean that you are questioning yourself. Have you been thinking about your relation to the country that you live in recently? This might be why you are seeing the bald eagle in your dreams. Perhaps your thought is occurring on more of a subconscious level and you are not actually aware of your questioning of America’s virtues. That may well be the case also. There is no way for you to answer whether or not this was going on, but perhaps this dream symbol should then prompt you to consider your relationship to America more openly and on a more conscious level.

Another interpretation of the bald eagle as a dream symbol has to do with the fact that the bald eagle is endangered. Poachers are after the bald eagle for stuffing, or used to be back before such heavy laws were set up against poaching of the country’s official bird. It is possible that the reason that you are dreaming of the bald eagle is because you feel just as endangered as the animal is. You feel as if you are being attacked or threatened by someone in your waking life and it is carrying over into your dreams in the form of a bald eagle.

Another possible interpretation of the bald eagle in your dreams might be related to the eagle’s predatory nature. Remember that as beautiful and graceful as the bird is, it is still going after prey and will not stop if it is hungry. Therefore it is possible that the reason that you are dreaming of the bird is because you feel that you are in a predatory position. Perhaps instead of being the hunted, you are the hunter in this situation. This interpretation could relate to anything ranging from bounty hunting, to attacking people physically, to attacking them emotionally or verbally. You know what kinds of activities you have engaged in recently better than anyone else ever could. So do you feel as if this is correct? Are you being predatory and attacking people for no reason? Maybe there is a good reason behind it. But either way, if this is true for you, you should cease, because it is not good manners.

Eagle
Carl Jung said that birds represent thoughts while birds in flight symbolize moving and changing thoughts. Birds are generally associated with freedom and abandon. In old dream interpretation books, birds are considered lucky omens. Doves and eagles are generally spiritual symbols. Your dream depends on its details, but if the birds in your dream were flying free, it may be symbolic of spiritual, psychological, or physical freedom. An eagle is a powerful bird and the unconscious message may be prosperity, success, and liberation from tedium. The eagle is also a bird of prey and some negative connotations can be made. If the eagle is on the attack or the dream is frightening, reflect on your own aggressive and predatory thoughts and tendencies.

Eagle. If you see an eagle flying, your business prospects are very rosy indeed. And should this noble bird happen to be perched in a high place, you will have fame as well as fortune. If you see it on a mountaintop, you will achieve beyond your highest ambitions. However, should the eagle attack or frighten you, you will have to overcome some difficult obstacles before reaching your goal.

[Bubbydoll]

This is a hard one for me, because my grandparents are all deceased, and I only ever really knew my mom's mom ( nanny ) who lived with us when I was littler. Never met her dad , or my dad's mom, and my dad's dad was dying when I was young from lung cancer, massive smoker. So the only one that left any impact on me was my nanny. She taught me I was important, what I thought and felt mattered and that when choosing friends you pick the person who treats you with respect. That you try not to hurt others, that includes animals, they feel pain too and you help others even if they can't help you in return. Also that sometimes people who matter most to you are taken away but if you have faith and believe you will see them one day again.

What have or did your grandparents teach you?

[tsetse22]

Most important lesson from Dad's Dad....

"Sonny, don't drink that pop stuff!"


... I think he meant don''t smoke pot.... I was 8.

[physco kid]

What have or did your grandparents teach you?

My grama teached me say whats on my mind Never keep it in and faith. Since i was 6 i kinda caved into myself from the bullies and pain and never said how i felt till 2 years ago in 4th grade i told her of the bullies i had problems with. I told her she said to me "just keep the that faith of yours up Up up!" Then i spoke my mind to my parents. We almost had a happy ending -___-(That was then we had money problems began but hey thats another story) So that would be mine! -__-

[Dorn]

So this dream and all dreams are worries I have, we all have in are daily lives? Dreams are our therapy sessions. lolz

Some dreams touch on issues of anxiety, but most of them regard wish-fulfillment (satisfying unfulfilled desires).

I can't figure why the eagle landed so low on a rock in the water by us? That is odd, why not by us in a tall tree, lots of trees around in that dream.

It isn't odd at all since there is neither causation nor temporality in dreams. The events, characters, signs, and symbols unfold according to unconscious thought processes.

We never had a bad father and son dynamic, after the death of my brother[by his own hand] I got to know my dad better, we get each other. On my part no animosity towards him.

Then forget what I posted previously. If it works, don't fix it.

[Nostalgic]

@ bubby

Umm my grandparents (mums side) never really taught me anything other than people can be horrible and nasty (dads side) people can be weird or closed books.
Not close with any of them.

[Nostalgic]

Am I the only person who thinks that failure is the only way to truly succeed?

Nope

[SharA2]

Nice posts SharA2,

I agree with you on the religious point. But I still look to the Bible for wisdom and comfort and always find different ways to relate to it. California is a huge state. My friend and I were talking about the population of Alaska compared to the population of L. A. County. L.A. is like 11 time more populated than Alaska. However, I notice that California is not as Liberal as it was just 10 years ago. The voting demographics is changing and becoming more conservative. Orange County to the south of L.A. is very conservative. It is a large county as well and highly populated. I think the way you do on several points about Gay Marriage.

I also think you had a wonderful take on JeremyM's dream. I never knew all the things an eagle represented. It is a wonderful and complicated dream symbol.

Thank you, KRSTY.
After all the talk about the AntiChrist in this thread when I was away on vacation I had not one but two dreams that involved that idea. One was more horrific than the other-- and before that I have never had an AntiChrist dream before. You and Dorn should talk California. To me it is a state I'd love to visit, just not reside. I like an area where you get all the seasons, and the good and bad that comes with that. Have you always lived in California? What do you personally feel caused that shift in perceptions from 10 years ago? I think if two men wish to marry, and two women wish to marry, why stop them? Makes me think how way back people frowned on mix race marriages, there is no need for people to fear others in love or feel threatened.

[SharA2]

Am I the only person who thinks that failure is the only way to truly succeed?

Failure makes you reevaluate your choices and try harder next time-- it isn't the only way to succeed but it motivates you to do better.

You offered me alot here, thanks, hun. I'll go over all the characteristics mentioned at the end.

Like I asked Dorn previously above this reply, can you understand why the eagle may have landed on a rock and not on a tree, is that symbol important?

You are right to say about me feeling freedoms are being taking away from me, yes, getting engaged was a big decision, it will be life changing. And I also have issues with work and coworkers that could represent that removal of rights and freedoms too. So that does reflect in my rl. Nailed that.

So you think I could be the eagle in my dream too? A watcher on my own life, good and bad. So I was killed or witnessed my death because? Would or could explain my dad's anger at the killing too and not mine. Like a spirit rising from my own body to observe. Weird shit.

Is the eagle a positive dream symbol to see? Even if the dream was not positive?

Forgot to say I will hit up Brake4wind and tsetse like you suggested. Get some blanks filled in. Thanks everyone.

You are welcome, JeremyM.

Have you made more sense of your dream now? I would guess that the eagle landed unnaturally low to show you it did not fear you, the closer it was to you showed it was not fearful of you and your dad. What it had to fear was actually hidden from sight, like in our own real lives. It isn't the people who tell us off to our face, it is the ones who say things behind our backs we need to be concerned with-- the ones who hid their true motives. To me landing low was trust. But that is only my take on this, it may be wrong. I think in general an eagle is a positive symbol. I feel the eagle's death was symbolism for your own life and what is happening in it.

What have or did your grandparents teach you?

On my mother's side they taught respect to elders, and yourself and to be humble. On my dad's side they taught that you have to work hard to get where you want in life, don't expect good things to be handed to you, work for them --I think my dad and a few of his brother's and sister's where pushed to succeed, like that was all that mattered then.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

From both of my Grandmothers, I learned to be artistic and creative. From my dad's Dad, I learned to close the refrigerator door, the screen door, basically any door that had a heat, cold or dirt related purpose.

[ammunition]

My grandparents taught me to respect myself.

I don't know if this has been discussed already or not, but I want to hear your guys' opinions.

Can men and women ever really be just friends?

I think this is total bull considering I have male friends that I have completly platonic relationships with, BUT its not like the idea never crossed my mind. The only reason it did however, was because of other peoples' gossip. "Oh they would be so cute together " "You guys are together huh?" "Hey, so and so likes you!" "O. M. G they hang out allll the time, they're sooo together!" It's like dude, now you have me wondering what it would be like to be with my best friend. (uncomfortable...)

So, I think that it's completly possible, it's just the influence society has on us that makes us want to turn things into something they're not. What about you guys?

[JeremyM]

I'll answer the 2 new Questions asked first, then get into my dream replies.

My dads father always used to tell him, myself and others in the family to either " Shit or get off the pot" Lolz. I always remember that.

Don't talk about what you want, get the fuck up and make it happen. Words won't get you any closer to your dreams, but actions will.

@ Ammunition-

Can men and women ever really be just friends?

Yes. But what stops it is the other persons partner being jealous or insecure. People think guys and girls can't be friends because they always want to do it with each other, not so.

I have lots of just female friends, nothing sexual involved, never was and we've been friends for years.

[misha666]

[JeremyM]

Hey Jeremy,
There are some outstanding interpretations of your dream here! I'll try to add without being redundant. What I see in the first scene is the bond between father and son with your father as your greatest mentor. Fishing seems to symbolize a search for new ideas and drawing upon combined resources (the son is a father's greatest resource). The early mist lends mystery and adventure to the setting as you head for a "proven area" or what is tried and true based on experience. Upon reaching your destination, the sun peeks through the clouds for greater clarity. To me, the eagle on the rock signifies promise (American dream as noted) and the rock is solid- something we expect to remain in place: You toast to a bright future. The other significance in the eagle is independence (yours at the "proven" area); there is strength, skill with a feeling of pride and accomplishment in seeing these qualities.

The anti-climax follows the unexpected: Ducks from the marsh and the hunters stalking them. I think there is significance in the eagle being spooked by the ducks: He is predator/ not prey- he may fly after the ducks giving chase but not "with them". It becomes a tragic error in judgment that's a trap in youth because we haven't yet developed the foresight that comes with greater experience. In the hunters we see men that kill for sport (rather than need) and they shoot with buckshot or the scatter/ catch all effect; selfish and unconcerned with harming anything else that may get in their way.

It strikes me as a warning dream. Many love and respect others ('fishers of men') but some are like the hunters; reckless and ruthless (beware/ be aware). The eagle's mistake was to follow impetuously (leaving his rock) when his nature is to act independently; his eyes and instincts are keen and he is a born leader.

Thanks, Brake4wind for taking a look for me. I'm appreciative of everyone who took the time to help.

You are right, he is a mentor, the one in the world I have the most respect for, he's a damn good man. Someone I myself would like to measure of up. I liked what you said[ a son is a father's greatest resource]that is nice.

Yes, the sun representing clarity, where the mist was unknown?

So you feel the eagle landing low is a good omen? One that is positive, that eagle was not fearful of us at all, it would have sat there I bet our whole fishing trip if the ducks had not spooked it. Good on saying the rock represents something solid.

Is the eagle representing my independence from my own father?

It was like the eagle has a huge lapse in judgment flying when the ducks flew and not staying still on the rock. What you said about the hunters ties in with what SharA2 put out about them, I connect that with co-workers and strife there. People who don't care what they do as long as they get what they want. Basically assholes!

That last paragraph was great, sparked new insights for me. Do you feel as previously mentioned the eagle represents me?

@ Bubby- Hey, hun. Great thread, liked last one, this one appears to be more focused. I did read end of other thread, don't get why they locked it.

I have got some really thoughtful, insightful replies on my dream, probably moreso than if I posted it in the dream section.

I'm real grateful. This dream was bugging me. Appreciate the dream info you posted me, interesting on Carl Jung's take. Last one says if an eagle is seen perched high it means fame and fortune, but mine was perched low on a rock, does that mean tough times ahead, or I worry there will be tough times?

@Dorn- What would you say my wish fulfillment was in this dream?

So my own inability to do the right thing, is why the eagle landed low and why it flew when it should have stayed put? Like what Brake4wind mentioned above. Thanks for your help and time.

@ SharA2- yes I have, thanks, hun. You all have been great about my dream. You typed you felt it landing low was trust and since you feel the eagle was me, my trust or blind trust of others in my life, I assume you mean?

Thanks all!

[JeremyM]

:wave:

Hey, Misha. Missed your post I was answering my dream replies, you should answer some of the questions asked in here too, hun.

[misha666]

yea i know im going to , but i have to read alot of them first. they have some pretty good stuff in here.

[misha666]

heres something to play around with. what do you think of the education system in your country?
i think it's useful only to a limit. you need basic reading, writing, and math to function in the world and you also need to deal with different people. but i also think schools go to far.
it seems like schools try to get you to become a slave to the expectations of society. it starts from the very beginning. you are given a test and if you don't pass or follow the expectations of your teacher, they'll make you feel like a failure. and if you do pass or follow their standards then they'll boost your ego by making you feel good. thats why they have honor roll and all that crap. and this will continue in almost everything whether it be at work, school, family, religion, etc. because of this i feel most people are afarid of failure and not living up to other peoples standards.

our education system in america sux royal bannas. our kids spend more time out of school then getting educated.
and i say this because my kids go to school from the end of august to the begining of june and they take a whole month off in between in vacation, sick and hollyday time.
they have-
labor day
Columbus Day
P/t conferences day
Veterans day
Thanksgiving ( 2 days for that)
Winter/Xmas break (2 weeks)
Martin Luthar king Jr. day
again P/t Conferences day
presidents day
Casimir Pulaski day
spring break ( 1 week)
T/I again (2 days)
memorial day
plus snow days. which is like 5 or 6 days.
that makes me angry.
theres no need for all that time off. And thats why kids now a days are so damm lazy and disrespectfull.
If i were in charge of the education system i would make the school days longer and and the only vacation they would have woulf be the major holydays like Xmas (2 days), thanxviving (2days) and maybe presidents day. screw spring break and the horny teenagers.

[tropicalheatwave]

ok thats cool. you would add longer school days. i agree our education system does suck.

[ammunition]

@ Ammunition-

Can men and women ever really be just friends?

Yes. But what stops it is the other persons partner being jealous or insecure. People think guys and girls can't be friends because they always want to do it with each other, not so.

I have lots of just female friends, nothing sexual involved, never was and we've been friends for years.

Exactly, it's the sex part.Thanks.

[JeremyM]

Lolz at Misha listing all the free days the kids have off. School is stressful for kids so they need the breaks

@ Ammunition- Yeah that is all it comes down too. I recently had an issue with my fiancee being insecure over how I address my female friends.

She'd rather I change my behaviors[ which is something I have done/said for years since knowing my friends] then work on her own jealousy.

[Dorn]

What would you say my wish fulfillment was in this dream?

It depends on the significance of the eagle. Not only is it a symbol of vitality (as in life-related) in various forms, but it also represents an important link between you and your dad. The eagle soars the sky. The ducks, on the other hand, are base creatures. They represent repressed thoughts breaking out from the depths (of your unconscious); in the dream they are ominous elements powerful enough to "kill the eagle," i.e., all that it signifies (freedom, life as you know it, etc.).

The wish, as such, is the merger of the two impossibles: the celestial (higher; singular; eagle) and the subterranean (lower; plural; ducks).

So my own inability to do the right thing, is why the eagle landed low and why it flew when it should have stayed put?

No, that would be too causal. The events unfold in accordance with your particular signifier-chain, from thought patterns and processes to your implicit and explicit vocabulary.

[St. Dymphna]

since when does deep thought include the hokus pokus ritual of dream interpretation

[Dorn]

since when does deep thought include the hokus pokus ritual of dream interpretation

Interpretation--whether it regards dreams, novels, films, diaries, or politics--is a matter of language, narratology, semiotics, philosophy, psychology, history, religion, and so on. It is also a matter of translating one presentation (form and content) into another.

You may be taking your own dreams too literally and thereby missing the obvious.

[jojo]

No...No i am not angry at him for making the decision to no longer live in pain. Whats the point in living if he cant do a damn thing? If you couldnt walk without Morphine, If you couldn't breath without Morphine, couldnt want scary movies, couldnt get overly excited (as in Sex, Or a scary movie, Or anything like that)

Would you really want to continue to live? Live in a stoned, High stupor? He couldnt even remember his friends.

His truck was hit by an RPG, The resulting explosion blew the side of the vehicle in and acted like a shotgun, peppering him.

That is sad.

No, I wouldn't want to live, I would be like the guy in the metallica One video, KILL ME. Or wished I had died right then.

Awful what you guys face over there, you know the risks but you think maybe it won't be me.

Maybe we could try to examine what is working so great in those top countries and adopt those same education policies and practices.

maybe. i see nothing wrong with gaining more knowledge. i just think we have become too identified with our knowledge. EDIT: i took out the excessive junk.

Why can't we be as good or better?

true but why compare? why should we be like korea or vice versa?

It is about those top countries being able to do something our country is clearly incapable of doing

like what?

you still didn't answer this. what are those "top" countries capable of doing that we are not?

Comparing because they are succeeding and we are failing. No not be like, be our best, they they are their best.

They are capable of making their education system work. Maybe we are just lazier?

If he is a real minister it his mission to strike fear into us whatever way possible to make us good and faithful followers.

His fundamentalist sect consists of barely 7,000 followers worldwide. And if his internet drivel is used to attract more members, it really makes me wonder what his sermons look like.

Be refreshing if a minister/priest etcs went off scripture and said, this is all hogwash. Use your common sense first. Never heard of one who did.

Yeah? You must be Catholic.

So it is still supposed to be on us, as in stamped or tatted?

Bearing a mark of the beast on one's forehead does not have to be considered as such. Resist the literal reading.

The bible is like the Grimm's fairytales.

It's the other way around. The founding documents of Western culture have determined storytelling for nearly 3,200 years. These texts are, in chronological order, Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, the Old Testament, the Greek tragedies (especially Aeschylus and Sophocles), Plato's Republic, and the New Testament. These works have contributed to the development of the genres we know as epic-heroic poetry (Homer, Old Testament), drama (Greek tragedies), prose (Plato), and lyric poetry (New Testament).

I am Catholic lol

7,000 followers is not bad to start, crazies multiply quickly, he'll have 14,000 soon and +.

So if the mark isn't literal, what is it I will grow out bangs if it turns out to be literal Do you think the Bible and what is written inside is real, or is storytelling?

But we can't be forced against our will to be implanted? Will they make it appear like alien abductions conducted by the government to stage something and implant 1000's at a time?

Or like say it is some new vaccine and have people go in at then implant? They do this already to pets?

No trickery can be used. It has to be done willingly, but you can be coerced. It will end up being one of those things where it becomes harder and harder to funtion in your day to day life without it. Social Security checks will be scanned onto your checks. They'll stop doing automatic deposits. More and more businesses will take payment via a hand swipe. Having a bank account isn't required, but how hard is it to operate in today's world without one? Most workplaces require you to have one for payroll purposes. Cell phones aren't required, but good luck getting around without one. Same with computers. Technology is forced upon us more and more.

Yes, it's already done in pets for tracking purposes in the event of lost pets. A couple of years ago I read about some japanese group trying to drum up support for doing the same to old people who were going senile. The premise was that if grampy should forget and wander off the reservation alone, they could activate the RFID beacon and figure out where he was for his loved ones or the police to go pick up. Sounds like a reasonable idea, doesn't it? Until you start to think about the implications of that. After you hit the senile and old, who's next? The criminals of course. You tag them in case they become repeat offenders you know where to find them. You can track chld molestors and make sure they're staying away from schools, etc. Which leads to the next group to get hit, children. Same principles as with old people. Safety. Eventually we all lose our privacy.

Big Brother is watching sort of deal? Can you see that happening in 10 years, or more? When did they think the antichrist would take power, the year?

Old people become test dummies for it? Does sound reasonable but creepy if they are only using them as test subjects. Criminals I am all for. Is it like the ankle monitoring people are made to wear for home arrests, what is that called? they track where they are at all times.

[jojo]

To Jojo...on the Antichrist topic, I think it is prolly ridiculous to believe in such things happening. I went to a church, not my families regular church when younger, it was a church of a relative and they had youth groups and during one time there they showed us a end of world movie about the antichrist and the 666 mark. It was clearly meant to scare us kids, that was all who sat in that room and watched it. I think after seeing that and thinking what nonsense and stupidity is this, I asked not to go to church anymore, haha. I didn't swallow much bunk even back then, shameful.

I don't like the church makes kids watch that stuff, shuts them off and forces them to be worried or scared to obey.

You were smart to rebel against it, more should. It's all creepy.

Grandmothers taught me to cook, my mom is a horrible cook One granddad taught me to shoot and enjoy being outdoors.

Can men and women ever really be just friends?

Yes. If they are ex's maybe not, too much history.

[misha666]

Can men and women ever really be just friends?

I think they can be, they just have to be mature about it. I was friends with a couple of guys for yrs but then had to stop when they got married because the wifes were jealous of me and i understood. Those guys i was friends with were like my brothers and really loved them and never really looked at them as a b/f or anything.
huh! Now it got me thinking. I wonder how they felt about me?


@Bubby- not much, sadly i grew up with out grand parents. I wish there was old people that we could adopt as grand parents. lol

@Jeremy- hey wheres your dream thingy? im curious to read it and see what i can do.


People please dont be mad at me for asking this but do any of you think that Breaking Dawn and all the twilight series is making history now and that we will still talk about it 50 yrs from now like how we talk about Elvis and Marelyn Moroe? ***flinches a little and ducks down waiting for a tomatoe to be thrown at me**