Obvious wrongs...

[Belvadere]

Hello DMer's,
I have been reading some here and am a bit confused by several posts/members.
Different topics with replies from usually the same people and a few new being similar to what I am about to ask.

When some of you say, your view of 'wrong' and 'right' might be totally different. In some peoples replies it sounds as if they are actually defending the malicious acts that are reported much to often here on earth. I'm not sure if it's being written for responses or actually believed. Can someone honestly not believe that murdering in cold blood is a very wrong thing to do?

Can a person compare this decision to say, how late a 12year old's curfew should be?
Some parents are very strict in how they map out rules for their children and some people see this as bad parenting. I believe this subject to be controversial enough.

Are there truely people who dispute that it is wrong, evil, or whatever other negative word you want to use, to hurt a child, or domestic pet, or even to murder premeditated a human or other animal. (excluding the one's considered by some part of "the circle of life"-)?

I know there have been several topics about how we would not know what wrong is without right, up without down. These are just words. The actual meanings are obvious, very different. Most easily is the up and down descriptions. They are two different directions. I believe it would be obvious to anyone if it is either one way or the other without putting the actual word 'up' or 'down'. If a human knows it hurts to stub its toe, then it is obvious(without anyone telling them) that if you grab someone else's toe or body and scape it along the ground, it will most definitely hurt them.
That said, if you stub your toe, feel the pain, isn't it logical thinking to want it to stop hurting?
Without being told, just a natural instinct?

Hope I wrote this so it made sense to you all.
Belvadere

[Dorn]

When some of you say, your view of 'wrong' and 'right' might be totally different. In some peoples replies it sounds as if they are actually defending the malicious acts that are reported much to often here on earth. I'm not sure if it's being written for responses or actually believed. Can someone honestly not believe that murdering in cold blood is a very wrong thing to do?

That is what sociopaths believe, often emphasizing that "everything is relative." In reality, they just search for the very words that give them a blank check. And yes, a forum like this will always attract crazy and dangerous elements.

Are there truely people who dispute that it is wrong, evil, or whatever other negative word you want to use, to hurt a child, or domestic pet, or even to murder premeditated a human or other animal. (excluding the one's considered by some part of "the circle of life"-)?

We Americans hate getting involved, being very defensive about anything that takes us out of our comfort zone.

In 1939, less than two per cent (!) of the American population favored intervening in Germany; it took the shock of Pearl Harbor to propel us into action. Incidentally, terrorists have targeted Americans since the 1960s, but it took a 9/11 for the sleeping giant to awaken.

For instance, when the USS Cole was attacked outside of Yemen by al-Qaeda in 2000, killing 17 servicemen, Bill Clinton sent the FBI over to investigate the "nuisance." In 1993 and 1994, when genocides were taking place in Bosnia and Rwanda, Clinton took the easy way out, choosing not to interfere. And at large, the population approved of that cowardice.

Courage is rare, so treasure it wherever you find it. Expect the opposite.

[Belvadere]

Ty for your reply dorn, much appreciated.

I get ahead of myself sometime when typing, and my fingers do not go as fast as my head so i leave things out. When I wrote about right and wrong being different, i meant acknowledged i guess, and just because we were possibly taught if we were not taught, we might possibly still know what wrong was without prior knowledge of what 'right' was. Which was why the stubbed toe statements, and the curfew thing was for the diversity of people, times etc.

[Belvadere]

Something to add, when i speak of malicious premeditated murder, I'm speaking of children starved locked in the closets, spouses, old ladys kidnapped and tortured, dmestic animals tortured and killed, ect.
Not servicemen doing what they have been trained to do in compliance with defending their country.
BIG Difference.

[Dorn]

Something to add, when i speak of malicious premeditated murder, I'm speaking of children starved locked in the closets, spouses, old ladys kidnapped and tortured, dmestic animals tortured and killed, ect.
Not servicemen doing what they have been trained to do in compliance with defending their country.
BIG Difference.

Then you are obviously misinformed. When Qaddafi, e.g., threatened to massacre the people of Benghazi (a city of up to 700,000 inhabitants), it was approaching a scale close to the Sudanese and Rwandan genocides. It was morally imperative of us to intervene, and fast, yet the public is split regarding this very obvious concern.

In Rwanda, in 1994, when Hutus chopped up Tutsis of all ages with machetes, it constituted "malicious premeditated murder" par excellence. They were not troops killing other troops, but the majority population teeming up to erase the minority. Nevertheless, the international community wouldn't even acknowledge that there was an ongoing genocide. And no one (of importance) was pushing for a military intervention to stop the atrocities.

Consequently, do our borders redefine the "obvious wrongs"?

[SharA2]

Some blur the lines of right and wrong and created a lot of grey areas for themselves. Might be to ignore what is going on, ease any guilt they could have on the subject. While others are firm on where they draw those lines. Cowardice runs rampant in humankind. Looking the other way has become a national past-time, imo.

[Belvadere]

Your reply is focused on more of a political level than what I intended this topic.
I'm not misinformed on what I wrote.
I would appreciate your comments on what I wrote about.
Again, your replies warrant a topic of its very own, in the politics section of the forum.

[Belvadere]

When some of you say, your view of 'wrong' and 'right' might be totally different. In some peoples replies it sounds as if they are actually defending the malicious acts that are reported much to often here on earth. I'm not sure if it's being written for responses or actually believed. Can someone honestly not believe that murdering in cold blood is a very wrong thing to do?

That is what sociopaths believe, often emphasizing that "everything is relative." In reality, they just search for the very words that give them a blank check. And yes, a forum like this will always attract crazy and dangerous elements.

Thanks for your reply on my topic.

[SharA2]

Your reply is focused on more of a political level than what I intended this topic.
I'm not misinformed on what I wrote.
I would appreciate your comments on what I wrote about.
Again, your replies warrant a topic of its very own, in the politics section of the forum.

My reply? Mine wasn't political at all.