MAGIC..

[NoxAvis]

Who believes in magic?
Has anyone experienced something magical or weird?

[Nostalgic]

Not me. I do like the idea of magic though like wizards etc

[NoxAvis]

Not me. I do like the idea of magic though like wizards etc

Yes..i also find the idea cool..such as Harry Potter magic or something like that..

[GoldenShadow]

No I personally havent experienced any magic and hope never to. Magic is real. It's not a question of if it is or isn't really, it just is. There is nothing good in it either. Wiccans ( I don't know much about though) say themselves to be 'good' witches. Then there are those who use it to curse people, and this is real. In corrupt parts if middle east people use magic to curse those they are angry with. They threaten each other with this, and it happens. And if you tell them that it's not good, that it's haram (forbidden), they will say that their parents and people before them used to do so, why can't we.

Magic works by speaking with 'spirits' as people may say. These spirits are not past relatives, etc, they are devils, just as ghosts are. Why do people relate magic and say that 'made a deal with the devil'.?

My father has twice visited people in his job that practiced witchcraft. They, I suppose you could say actually looked like they did. ( don't ask me I didn't see). The wife of a distant uncle of mine does something of the like, maybe it's jet clairvoyance or something but there all about the same.

And I reckOn that it would be mad if magic wasn't evil. Like Harry potter lol I've been watching the Merlin tv series hehee yeA but it's a shame.

[Era]

For the original poster and others who read this, I'd think it would be best if you researched the subject of magic and asked people who actually practice magic if it is real or whether or not it is good/evil.
Magic for those who believe in it is all about intent. With what Golden says, those people have a negative intent. Others who have a positive intent will promote good magic. Those who practice bad magic are not (atleast in what my mother says) well liked in the wiccan community because they firmly believe in good magic over bad. My mother is wiccan and she doesn't do anything that is bad.

Magic works with spirits as well as the intent of the person or people involved with it. It isn't devils nor is it evil spirits UNLESS you call upon with evil intent which as I said is not seen as the wiccan way as my mother has told me many times.

[GoldenShadow]

I didn't mean to attack magic just writing what we have been taught in Islam. I understand that wiccans say it to be good magic and not bad, but I will still see it as bad. No offense intended on your mother Era. In Islam be it whatever kind of magic, it is done at the help of the devil Satan djinn spirit whatever you call it. Hence reason why it is forbidden (haram) in our religion. It is seen as consulting with the devil.

So what kind of spirits do you see them as? What are they? And whenever I've researched into Wiccan world I never figure out what they do with magic that they say is 'good'. Perhaps you can enlighten me I'd be very appreciative.Or is it secret? I heard something like that not sure though. Btw whatdo you call a bad Wiccan?

[NoxAvis]

I find the idea of magic very attractive and captivating..but i ve heard that practising magic is considered to be a sin..

[Era]

I didn't mean to attack magic just writing what we have been taught in Islam. I understand that wiccans say it to be good magic and not bad, but I will still see it as bad. No offense intended on your mother Era. In Islam be it whatever kind of magic, it is done at the help of the devil Satan djinn spirit whatever you call it. Hence reason why it is forbidden (haram) in our religion. It is seen as consulting with the devil.

So what kind of spirits do you see them as? What are they? And whenever I've researched into Wiccan world I never figure out what they do with magic that they say is 'good'. Perhaps you can enlighten me I'd be very appreciative.Or is it secret? I heard something like that not sure though. Btw whatdo you call a bad Wiccan?

xD I just don't like it when something misunderstood is taken into that "It's of the Devil" sense.
The spirits that are normally called upon can be angels, fairies, elements, etc. Usually the intent of the magic is what brings about what type of spirit used. Some spirits are evil and Wiccan uses methods of protection against them but other spirits are good and mostly guide them through whatever spell they need or want to cast.
Usually the good magic is the ones that are healing. That is one of the most commonly used and other religions use it too. With Wiccans, it involves lighting a candle of a certain color and burning incenses of a certain smell that promotes the positive energy and expels the bad. Even the pentagram that is often see as the "Devil" sign is meant to expel bad energy. Sometimes it involves what others call "praying" with heavy meditation with the intent in mind to help someone in need. Someone who is sick in the hospital and a Wiccan will burn a candle that has the intent of "Physical Healing of all Sicknesses" and put that energy out there.
It's honestly all about intent but often people misunderstand what magic is because it's easy to see the bad things. Like the curses and such. Those people who curses in your community or where they are are misusing the magic with negative intents. That is what makes a bad Wiccan. There is "white" and "green" magic as well as "black" magic. The black as you know or have heard it said most often is the negative stuff. The curses, the infliction of wounds, etc. It's the intent that you put on someone that they will fail or die or what have you. It's like with people who pray. You can pray in the intent for someone to heal or you can pray that someone will be killed. It's basically the same thing.

[VenusInChains]

Magic is real, though I don't belive you can summon a fireball and shoot it at a dragon. Although it makes me wonder about those chi masters that can knock over people with the wave of their hand. If that's real, I think it's harmful and I follow the wiccan rede "An harm none, do what you will"

Recently I cast a spell on a friend of mine. He has no knowledge of it, but basically it was upsetting me how he wasn't looking after his family. Being unemployed, drinking and playing his xbox all day. After a week, he had a job, he's now being a provider instead of a bum. I had no idea what the outcome would be, maybe it wasn't even magic, but for the most part I believe it was. If you see evil in what I did, then so be it.

[Nostalgic]

Not me. I do like the idea of magic though like wizards etc

Yes..i also find the idea cool..such as Harry Potter magic or something like that..

Yeah but more like "sword of truth" or "the wheel of time" I really liked the magic in those books.

[Nostalgic]

For those discussing it's good and bad. I think there is good and bad in everything so if magic were real it would be natural people would use it for good and others for bad.

[heartsdreamer]

Who believes in magic?
Has anyone experienced something magical or weird?

What do you mean by "magic?"

Has anyone experienced something magical or weird?

Only in my dreams but no in this physical "reality."

Is a rainbow magic? No!

[Isis of lumuria]

goldenshadow the word witch it's self comes from wicca. wicca is a religion that works with the natural energy of the earth and celebrates the cycle of the seasons. i haven't had any experiences with magic but i do believe in it. i have had quite a few weird psychic experiences with the paranormal.

[GoldenShadow]

Hmmm (reading peoples' posts)
I'll just emphasize that what I said earlier was what Islam sees of magic. And Islam is yet to fail me so I will hold onto their beliefs. When other religions did fail, islM didn't, so no offense meant deeply for anyone.

Venus, interesting story, so I'm just curious (but then again u said u werent sure) perhaps it wasn't magic? I wonder what it was then (honest question)? Is every kind of magic you performe done in the same way? Maybe good 'magic'should be labelled by another name, hmmm dunno.

[VenusInChains]

Venus, interesting story, so I'm just curious (but then again u said u werent sure) perhaps it wasn't magic? I wonder what it was then (honest question)? Is every kind of magic you performe done in the same way? Maybe good 'magic'should be labelled by another name, hmmm dunno.

Well I say maybe it wasn't magic because I know people are skeptical, but I thought it was a blessing that he did get a job within a few days of casting the spell, considering he'd been unemployed for almost 6 months. The spell was a varient of a spell I come across, for people who don't look after their pets. Well to me, he wasn't looking after his family. My intention was that his children would have a better father figure. I would have been happy to see him give up alcohol consumption at the very least, but since work is taking up most of his day, I can settle for that. To me, spell work is kinda like prayer. You are asking for spiritual help. I would never cast a spell to make a person ill or anything like that. Not all spells are done the same way, but I always bath beforehand so I feel cleansed, and I always cast a circle for protection.

And by the way, I respect your views on magic. It isn't for everyone, and I'm not here to try and convert people. As I have always said, go with whatever works with you.

[GoldenShadow]

So it was more of a prayer hoping for his bbetter becoming. So do you believe in God/Goddess as the same being as sat Christians and Muslims? Or is it a completely different entity, so to say. Did u believe it was a spell? Just curious, or u believe it as a prayer?

Are all your spells like these 'prayers' or do u use something similar to the 'bad' magic techniques without the evil attached to it to perform, say, healing (dunno wat u do exactly) ??

Sorry many questions, but I do appreciate ur answers thank you

[Era]

I've done a few spells in the past. One I remember directly was a spell for money since we were in an environment that was threatening to our lives. Gun shots, rapists trying to break into our apartment, etc. So we were looking for a house somewhere but couldn't get it because we didn't have good credit or enough money. I went into my mom's spell books and found a spell meant just for that. I believe I had to take a rock, write what it is that I was wishing for (money to move from the apartment), and put it in water. After it was in the water enough, I had to wrap it up in a cloth and keep it with me and even sleep with it. Even though I did all this, I was still skeptical that it would even work.
Not even a few days later, the bank called and said that they would agree to the loan and we could move.

I'm still even skeptical now that I'm in the very house I did that for.

[VenusInChains]

Well I believe God is God lol, just my idea of God is different to what you believe. For the spell I did, I used a photo of him to focus on him. I also used tarot cards to form an ideal picture of what I wanted to see, which was basically a happy family. Tarot cards aren't usually used for spell work, but sometimes you need objects to help you focus. I lit some candles and incence, and thne chanted a some words and meditated. I left the cards spread out with his photo for the next few days and everytime I felt the need to, I lit incence and meditated, untill I found out he had a job. I say its like prayer because I am only familiar with how Christians pray in a ritualistic way. Catholics start and end a prayer with the sign of the cross and say "In the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit". Other Christians always end a prayer by saying "In Jesus name, Amen." To me thats like closing a circle of protection.

edit: I don't ask for djinn or demons or evil spirits of any kind for help. I'm not sure about the people who practise witchcraft where you are. The idea of djinn has always fasinated me, but I guess that comes from the story of Aladin. The thought of a spirit being bound to an object also is a little upsetting.

[GoldenShadow]

Well I believe God is God lol, just my idea of God is different to what you believe.

How so? Sorry if I'm getting too personal, just tell me if itt is.

I dunno about djinns from Aladdin, or are u referring to the blue genie thing. Lol I havnt watched it in ages.
In Islam, there are good and bad djinns, but those that are good do nt interfere with people so it can't be them ur calling on, i'd say. I'll come back with more questions g2g now lol.
(fairies??))

[parousia]

GoldenShadow, why is era's last visit date blocked on his profile?

[Era]

GoldenShadow, why is era's last visit date blocked on his profile?

Interesting... I must have done something...

[whisperwillow108]

I think it exists. Well isn't everything magical when you think about it? A tree growing from a tiny seed, a cloud forming in the sky, a bird forming from an egg. In my opinion, magic/energy/etc. is everywhere. We just have to learn how to use it. I eved say meditation could be considered magic. I've used various crystals to heal injuries and have worked with reiki. I've also done a few other things that involve magic. Like for Beltane, my friend and I each tied strips of fabric to a cherry blossom tree (it was supposed to be hawthorne, but there wasnt any in the area so we had to improvise) and made wishes. I've recently read a book about spells and natural magic. I intend on trying them out soon! I really like the idea of magic. I don't think it's evil or "Of the Devil" (personally, i dont even believe in the devil). It's just misunderstood.

[GoldenShadow]

Well isn't everything magical when you think about it? A tree growing from a tiny seed, a cloud forming in the sky, a bird forming from an egg. In my opinion, magic/energy/etc. is everywhere.

That's what I thought of originally. So God is magic? No He just is. And what he creates are miracles. Just what I think.

I think that no matter the persons intent magic shouldn't be used because, like earlier said, interfere with the natural cause of events. I know (Venus) that it was well intentioned and I admire that. But what I've understood, do say if I'm incorrect, is that if u ask for something, they will want something in return (spirits etc). To me that sounds bit scary. But tell me if I'm wrong, honestly. ( I'm no expert).And do u yourself feel different, I also heard that they may take some of ur energy, not sure though.

[The Eagle]

consider magic and prayer.

it basically comes down to this: one is asking the universe to help you do something and the other......... is asking god to do something for you.

a prayer to god asking him to "smite" your enemies - is the same as so called "black magic" you are asking the universal force to favour you and damage your enemies. "black magic" is not evil by itself - just like prayer is not a stand alone good thing. have you considered the cause and effect of prayer? what if your prayer helps you but that causes a removal of help for others?

the difference is the magic takes personal responsibility for what happens. - prayer always has the "god did it so god must of thought it was right and just"

if you pray for something and it happens - does that mean you were responsible for it? that would emply god is controlable.

magic is just part of the energy that flows around us. It is misunderstood and been made cartoon like by such establishments.

historical magic is just the unknown, the unexplainable - when it gets explained its not longer magic. replace the word magic with god there.

[Isis of lumuria]

i do believe in magic. i've also had some paranormal stuff happen. thats when my mediumistic abilities start to come forth.

[seeingpsyche7]

Well I believe God is God lol, just my idea of God is different to what you believe. For the spell I did, I used a photo of him to focus on him. I also used tarot cards to form an ideal picture of what I wanted to see, which was basically a happy family. Tarot cards aren't usually used for spell work, but sometimes you need objects to help you focus. I lit some candles and incence, and thne chanted a some words and meditated. I left the cards spread out with his photo for the next few days and everytime I felt the need to, I lit incence and meditated, untill I found out he had a job. I say its like prayer because I am only familiar with how Christians pray in a ritualistic way. Catholics start and end a prayer with the sign of the cross and say "In the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit". Other Christians always end a prayer by saying "In Jesus name, Amen." To me thats like closing a circle of protection.

edit: I don't ask for djinn or demons or evil spirits of any kind for help. I'm not sure about the people who practise witchcraft where you are. The idea of djinn has always fasinated me, but I guess that comes from the story of Aladin. The thought of a spirit being bound to an object also is a little upsetting.

I believe magic is real, had a remote curiosity but never delved deep into it because i sorta felt it was selfish and ego strengthening. I have struggled with issues involving control and i didn't feel like magic was conducive to my learning to go with the flow and letting go of my need to control circumstances. I think a lot of props used in magic find effectiveness in helping the user focus their own energy, not necessarily that they have magical properties in and of themselves. It's like how the rosary helps the believer meditate on God during prayer. My intuition gets very intense when i open up to things of the magical nature, mostly negatively but there are certain sides of magic that focus a type of light energy that i do not get a harmful sense about. It attracts me, but something else causes me to hold back. It can get addicting for some people and people have strong unconscious tendencies of utilizing darker forces of magic once they've dipped their feet because they hunger for stronger powers. I can get along with some witches when they have a nurturing tone to their work, but inexperienced practitioners exude an unstable energy. I think that spells can harness positive energy, psychic in nature, just as prayer can harness spiritual energy positive in nature. However, one can also pray to the darkness and manifest chaos, just as dark magic can be used to harm.

If i were gonna start practicing, i would focus on working from the heart, clearing blocks there and manifesting love energy to fuel the power of my spells. This is what makes prayer effective, when spoken from an open flowing heart. Learning to conjure love i imagine would be a recipe for effective witchcraft. But also, i'm biased. I don't want to see anyone get hurt.

[seeingpsyche7]

Well I believe God is God lol, just my idea of God is different to what you believe. For the spell I did, I used a photo of him to focus on him. I also used tarot cards to form an ideal picture of what I wanted to see, which was basically a happy family. Tarot cards aren't usually used for spell work, but sometimes you need objects to help you focus. I lit some candles and incence, and thne chanted a some words and meditated. I left the cards spread out with his photo for the next few days and everytime I felt the need to, I lit incence and meditated, untill I found out he had a job. I say its like prayer because I am only familiar with how Christians pray in a ritualistic way. Catholics start and end a prayer with the sign of the cross and say "In the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit". Other Christians always end a prayer by saying "In Jesus name, Amen." To me thats like closing a circle of protection.

edit: I don't ask for djinn or demons or evil spirits of any kind for help. I'm not sure about the people who practise witchcraft where you are. The idea of djinn has always fasinated me, but I guess that comes from the story of Aladin. The thought of a spirit being bound to an object also is a little upsetting.

I believe magic is real, had a remote curiosity but never delved deep into it because i sorta felt it was selfish and ego strengthening. I think a lot of props used in magic find effectiveness in helping the user focus their own energy, not necessarily that they have magical properties in and of themselves. It's like how the rosary helps the believer meditate on God during prayer. But i'm not certain of this. My intuition gets very intense when i open up to things of the magical nature, mostly negative feeling arise but there are certain sides of magic that focus a type of light energy that i do not get a harmful sense about. It attracts me, but something else causes me to hold back. It can get addicting for some people and some have strong unconscious tendencies of utilizing darker forces of magic once they've dipped their feet because they hunger for stronger powers. I can get along with some witches when they have a nurturing tone to their work, but inexperienced practitioners exude an unstable energy that i prefer to stay away from. I think that spells can harness positive energy, psychic in nature, just as prayer can harness spiritual energy positive in nature. However, one can also pray to the darkness and manifest chaos, just as dark magic can be used to harm.

If i were gonna start practicing, i would focus on working from the heart, clearing blocks there and manifesting love energy to fuel the power of my spells. This is what makes prayer effective, when spoken from an open flowing heart. A very pure-hearted, clear-minded priest once prayed over me with tender might, and there was DEFINITELY a powerful spiritual energy transfered in the process. It had an immediate affect on me physically and mentally. My whole body was calm and relaxed the rest of the day. My mind was tranquil and quiet, so quiet and still, completely at peace. Even my vision seemed clearer! Everything crisp and fresh. Cleansed. Learning to conjure love i imagine would be a recipe for effective witchcraft. But also, i'm biased. I don't want to see anyone get hurt.