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Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Future_Dreamer » Sun May 23, 2010 1:42 am

I think we should have a few to look after the forum.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby IntheStars » Sun May 23, 2010 1:44 am

I agree to an extent, but I've seen moderators mess things up on other forums. *shrug*
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby IntheStars » Sun May 23, 2010 2:09 am

Oh! I must add though, there seems to be a heap of responsible people on the boards and it would be nice to not have viagra and random other website ads spamming the boards randomly.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Future_Dreamer » Sun May 23, 2010 8:56 pm

IntheStars wrote:Oh! I must add though, there seems to be a heap of responsible people on the boards and it would be nice to not have viagra and random other website ads spamming the boards randomly.

My thoughts exactly..
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby bunkiemonkey » Mon May 24, 2010 5:34 pm

the webmaster is an exemplary moderator who does not abuse the power.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Future_Dreamer » Sat May 29, 2010 1:42 am

bunkiemonkey wrote:the webmaster is an exemplary moderator who does not abuse the power.

Who is almost never online.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby bunkiemonkey » Sat May 29, 2010 2:06 am

actually, the webmaster logs on every single day.

why don't you all go post something intelligent in the forum instead of wishing for power that you'd obviously abuse with your own self-righteousness.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Future_Dreamer » Sat May 29, 2010 4:38 pm

bunkiemonkey wrote:actually, the webmaster logs on every single day.

why don't you all go post something intelligent in the forum instead of wishing for power that you'd obviously abuse with your own self-righteousness.

Who's wishing for power? Me or you? I came here to simply have my dreams interpreted but i'm not blind enough to not realized how this place is indeed a graveyard and there's a lot of junk posts. If i had a power, this place would be cleaner :roll:
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby bunkiemonkey » Sat May 29, 2010 9:10 pm

no obviously you need to rationalize the comments you have posted on this thread because you just contradicted your own fallacy. better you both go somewhere you belong.

don't disrespect dreammoods again.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Future_Dreamer » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:59 pm

bunkiemonkey wrote:no obviously you need to rationalize the comments you have posted on this thread because you just contradicted your own fallacy. better you both go somewhere you belong.

don't disrespect dreammoods again.

You don't need to get so defensive :lol: If you thought that was disrespectful then you won't survive in the real world. Wake up!
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby bunkiemonkey » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:59 am


you think authority means ignorance. you want the power to ban perspective, but you would use unjust advantage.

that is self deception.


because LIES MUST ALWAYS BE ENFORCED

as opposed to TRUTH WHICH CAN STAND ON IT'S OWN.


if you really cared to cleanse the mind of the world you would use truth, honor, and understanding to raise the collective consciousness here on dreammoods.



but alas, that is not your intention at all. your intention is to force your view on the purity of being and destroy all that doesn't fit this delusion you call your judgment.



if you continue to make it your main objective to validate your arrogant self righteous attitude, your delusions will comfort your blockade of reality in the pen of pigheads you percieve to call actuality.

you apparently enjoy getting fat on other peoples faces but i have no tolerance for mental poison and disinformation.


look deep for the true meaning of life and humanity before the conceptualization you call reality completely eats your soul away.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby littledebbie1081 » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:10 pm

They aren't disrespecting Dreammoods

They are pointing out what many new comers notice...

This forum really ought to have some moderators. Some guidelines and someone enforcing the rules that we agree to when we join here...

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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby IntheStars » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:59 pm

Future_Dreamer wrote:
bunkiemonkey wrote:no obviously you need to rationalize the comments you have posted on this thread because you just contradicted your own fallacy. better you both go somewhere you belong.

don't disrespect dreammoods again.

You don't need to get so defensive :lol: If you thought that was disrespectful then you won't survive in the real world. Wake up!


Don't drag me in this one, I wasn't claiming myself to be of the responsible type and wouldn't want the power of a moderator, bunkie.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby pepperidgefarm » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:22 pm

I think we moderate ourselves just fine. If someone steps out of line, they usually get a smack on the wrist by at least one person. And if they continue to step out of line, people just ignore them. Why ban someone for practicing their freedom of speech?
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Future_Dreamer » Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:31 pm

pepperidgefarm wrote:I think we moderate ourselves just fine. If someone steps out of line, they usually get a smack on the wrist by at least one person. And if they continue to step out of line, people just ignore them. Why ban someone for practicing their freedom of speech?

Agree.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Snufkin » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:21 am

Sigh, not this discussion again. I've seen this debate so many, many times.
Yes, I registered not long ago. But I would like to point out that Im an old-skool DM member. I was a member here during the days when people like the mysterious, anarchist "Anakin Skywalker" roamed the boards. I was here when the massive database failure came around. And I was here when many old skool dream mooders emigrated to the crappy dark dreams forum. Anyway, when ppl have discussed this in the past, the thread(s) has always looked like this:

The people in support of the idea, writes down a set of very good arguments.
Some people who don't like the idea starts whining - posting no arguments. Some even act immature and attack the thread creator.
Some people talk about power-abuse, exaggerating all the bad things about moderation - and humans in general.
Some people tell stupid made-up stories about some unknown forum that was run nazi-style by a bunch of immature, power-hungry kids.
And some people think that the webmaster is enough to moderate a massive forum, even though we all know that he also has a life and ain't no one-man-army.
And some of the old members describes a previous attempt at implementing moderators to this forum, and how that ended up badly.
The webmaster is not present

Im one of the people who think it would be a good idea to have moderators here. I've seen all the arguments, and the only good ones that the opposing part have about this matter is the story about the previously failed moderation attempt. It's a good argument, but exactly how many of us where here back in the old days when this was tested? I was, and I remember why it failed.

First and foremost, the webmaster assigned the moderator title(s) to who I thought were just random people - popular people on the forums. This worked bad because the assigned people where immature (not old enough), power-hungry fools who had no administrative personality traits. Additionally, the forum rules have never really been clear enough so no one really knew where the line was drawn so to speak. People got upset with the moderator(s) because they were too strict, harsh or took stupid decisions.

Im a very administrative and structured person with a big respect for rule and order. But I am also a libertarian: I hate power abuse and oppression, and I love freedom to such an extent that Im almost an anarchist (Im a minarchist :)). So in a way I kinda like the anarchistic atmosphere of this forum. Anyway, Im 100% sure that this forum would be much better with moderation and a little more structure (and clear, understandable rules). The problem though is the execution/implementation. The webmaster needs to decide what forum rules this place need, what should be done when people don't follow these rules, and he needs to decide about the overall direction of this forum. Unfortunatly I have never got the impression that the webmaster is as enthusiastic about this place as many of us hardcore, oldskool members are.

How can I be so sure that moderation will work? Experience. I have been a moderator, administrator, mentor, teacher and service-guy plenty of times before. I've administrated forums, created websites/forums and databases, been responsible for security and order, I've moderated game servers and been officer/raid leader in games like WoW and so on. It's something that I really enjoy doing: helping and teaching. And thats all there is to it really. Being a good moderator/admin requires a certain type of person, a certain mindset, character and personality. Most people think that it's just a prestigeful title handed out to VIP's or an "elite" - and that is far away from the truth. Being a moderator/administrator is not very prestigeful nor is it easy work. You need to put time into it - you sacrifice a tiny bit of your life because you want to help others. You need to be diplomatic, have a good understanding of rules and never ever be affected by loyalties or emotions. And no matter how good you are at it, there will always be people who dislike you just because you are a mod/admin. They will question all your decisions, attack you when they can and try and make you fuck up by making you violate your own principles or break the rules. They will make you look like a bad role model. There will always be people like this who want your title to disappear. And even the best mod/admin can get fed up with too much crap and resign.

I've come across both good and bad administrators, so I've seen both sides of the coin. I know what works and what doesn't, and I know how to fix administrative problems. I know how to deal with people who break the rules, and I know how to deal with corruption and how to develop rules, guidelines and an administrative workflow.

Anyway, if this place were to get moderators, it will be important that:
-Both the webmaster and the members are comfortable with the people who get assigned moderating powers
-That the moderators actually got administrative personality traits. Because far from everyone are suitable.
-That the moderators are adults (18+). Attitude is ofc more important than age, but you understand my point.
-That the forum rules will become much clearer and easily accessable than they are now
-That it's chrystal clear for everyone (members and mods) what will happen when people break rules. It is important that people know that corruption is unacceptable. The community needs to know the decision process and they need to know how they can complain about the decisions.
-That the moderators never are alone about the decision-making (the big ones... im not thinking about moving threads and so on)
-That the moderators are affected by the rules just as much (if not harder) than regular members.
-That favorism and corruption will be crushed.

Either way, Im making this huge post not because I want to advertise myself and ask for moderating powers (because I do not want them). However, I am more than happy to help the webmaster/community out with the theoretical planning and implementation, if this place were to get moderators. :)
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby greenhavoc » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:09 pm

emigrated to the crappy dark dreams forum

That's called a bitch move where I'm from, stop whoring yourself out snufkin.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby bunkiemonkey » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:23 pm

force is not the same.
(Matthew 12:25). 'And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand'.

you will lose your greatest members if you use moderators to force people into certain opinion.

don't forget who caused the flood of posters on this forum.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby pepperidgefarm » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:10 pm

@ Snufkin...Sounded like a resume to me. It's ok to admit it.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby bunkiemonkey » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:11 pm

yea people really need to start having some respect for others opinions and hear them out instead of trying to get control over them. :)
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Snufkin » Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:17 pm

greenhavoc wrote:
emigrated to the crappy dark dreams forum

That's called a bitch move where I'm from, stop whoring yourself out snufkin.

This is one of the reasons we need moderators. A problem this forum have is that people get attacked if they have an oppinion or idea that deviates from the crowd's thinking.
It was never my intentions to anger anyone such as yourself. But I never liked the substitute "Dark Dreams" - not even when everyone thought DM was a sinking boat - not even then. I think that dark dreams is total crap compared to Dream Moods, for a number of reasons Why can't I have that oppinion without you calling me bad things? It's not necessary for you to be so unfriendly towards me.

pepperidgefarm wrote:@ Snufkin...Sounded like a resume to me. It's ok to admit it.

Yea I do admit it. It wasn't my intention to write one though :P I have Asperger's you see and I hade a tendancy to really overdo stuff sometimes. My super-focus is a bit OCD-ish :D I probably spent 2 hours writing that damn post lol.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby bunkiemonkey » Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:32 pm

foed.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby pepperidgefarm » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:19 pm

Snufkin wrote:
pepperidgefarm wrote:@ Snufkin...Sounded like a resume to me. It's ok to admit it.

Yea I do admit it. It wasn't my intention to write one though :P I have Asperger's you see and I hade a tendancy to really overdo stuff sometimes. My super-focus is a bit OCD-ish :D I probably spent 2 hours writing that damn post lol.

Aha, I knew it.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby pepperidgefarm » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:20 pm

bunkiemonkey wrote:foed.

Who'd you foe bunkie?
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby greenhavoc » Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:36 pm

douchebag wrote:This is one of the reasons we need moderators. A problem this forum have is that people get attacked if they have an oppinion or idea that deviates from the crowd's thinking.
It was never my intentions to anger anyone such as yourself. But I never liked the substitute "Dark Dreams" - not even when everyone thought DM was a sinking boat - not even then. I think that dark dreams is total crap compared to Dream Moods, for a number of reasons Why can't I have that opinion without you calling me bad things? It's not necessary for you to be so unfriendly towards me


So it's ok to voice your [negative] opinion of another website, yet you fag-up on me when I voice my opinion of your intentions on this one?
Bias and pompous, just like everyone else on this website including myself. You don't upset me snufkin, you disappoint me.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby pepperidgefarm » Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:40 pm

greenhavoc wrote:...you disappoint me.

Sounds like my father.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Snufkin » Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:23 pm

greenhavoc wrote:So it's ok to voice your [negative] opinion of another website, yet you fag-up on me when I voice my opinion of your intentions on this one?
Bias and pompous, just like everyone else on this website including myself. You don't upset me snufkin, you disappoint me.


In order for disappointment to be present, first there must be expectations.
So what kind of expectations did you have on me - a complete stranger to you - that I fail to meet?

I don't understand your hostility at all. I expressed my opinion (a negative one, sure) against an abstract object - a website.
You on the other hand bashed down on me calling me a coward just because I had that opinion.
I don't understand why you would try and compare my opinion to your act of hostility, and claiming that they are equally bad. Maybe you are that kind of person who simply cannot restrain him/herself from getting an anger-outburst everytime someone disagrees with him/her or evertime someone has an opinion that deviates from his/her personal opinion. Yea, that seems very plausible.

Let me put it this way:
Do you think that everyone who don't have the same opinions as you, are cowards who "whore"? (whatever that word means).
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby greenhavoc » Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:41 pm

because
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby IntheStars » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:25 pm

greenhavoc wrote:
douchebag wrote:This is one of the reasons we need moderators. A problem this forum have is that people get attacked if they have an oppinion or idea that deviates from the crowd's thinking.
It was never my intentions to anger anyone such as yourself. But I never liked the substitute "Dark Dreams" - not even when everyone thought DM was a sinking boat - not even then. I think that dark dreams is total crap compared to Dream Moods, for a number of reasons Why can't I have that opinion without you calling me bad things? It's not necessary for you to be so unfriendly towards me


So it's ok to voice your [negative] opinion of another website, yet you fag-up on me when I voice my opinion of your intentions on this one?
Bias and pompous, just like everyone else on this website including myself. You don't upset me snufkin, you disappoint me.



What exactly is to be said of your own negative posts?
The internet is often too much used for an outlet, you and green need to take a break.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, you can be an asshole with words in a controlled manner and it seems your trained on it well, just a little more refining. The only difference is, now people will willingly go away because of a negative crowd that needs some limitations. I've seen it before, humans are destructive and I can see how this website is bones and lungs and not much else. I was a moderator on another forum and watched it fall to ashes, helped even myself.
Webmaster does the best as one person, and probably doesn't trust many because of what the website has become now. Understandable. Anger breeds anger.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby greenhavoc » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:09 am

IntheStars wrote:What exactly is to be said of your own negative posts?
greenhavoc wrote:Bias and pompous, just like everyone else on this website including myself.

The internet is often too much used for an outlet, you and green need to take a break.
greenhavoc wrote:And you need to pay attention to what I write the first time so I don't have to repeat it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, you can be an asshole with words in a controlled manner and it seems your trained on it well, just a little more refining. The only difference is, now people will willingly go away because of a negative crowd that needs some limitations. I've seen it before, humans are destructive and I can see how this website is bones and lungs and not much else. I was a moderator on another forum and watched it fall to ashes, helped even myself.
Webmaster does the best as one person, and probably doesn't trust many because of what the website has become now. Understandable. Anger breeds anger.
greenhavoc wrote:It also breeds honesty
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby lovebugxo » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:09 pm

Wow. You are all awful. And I agree 100%. This site needs to be cleaner and free of all those stupid images of people giving the finger and all of your stupid posts about absolutely NOTHING. By the way, isn't that what the General Discussion board is for?
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby greenhavoc » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:43 am

lovebugxo wrote:Wow. You are all awful. And I agree 100%. This site needs to be cleaner and free of all those stupid images of people giving the finger and all of your stupid posts about absolutely NOTHING. By the way, isn't that what the General Discussion board is for?

Do you have a point, or an original thought for that matter?
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby littledebbie1081 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:01 pm

Poo slinging contests only leave everybody covered in poo. :bored:

lovebugxo wrote:Wow. You are all awful. And I agree 100%. This site needs to be cleaner and free of all those stupid images of people giving the finger and all of your stupid posts about absolutely NOTHING. By the way, isn't that what the General Discussion board is for?


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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby greenhavoc » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:21 am

Littledebbie, has anyone told you how hot you are lately :infinity:
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby littledebbie1081 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:34 am

:oops: Thanks...

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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Future_Dreamer » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:06 pm

Snufkin wrote:Sigh, not this discussion again. I've seen this debate so many, many times.
Yes, I registered not long ago. But I would like to point out that Im an old-skool DM member. I was a member here during the days when people like the mysterious, anarchist "Anakin Skywalker" roamed the boards. I was here when the massive database failure came around. And I was here when many old skool dream mooders emigrated to the crappy dark dreams forum. Anyway, when ppl have discussed this in the past, the thread(s) has always looked like this:

The people in support of the idea, writes down a set of very good arguments.
Some people who don't like the idea starts whining - posting no arguments. Some even act immature and attack the thread creator.
Some people talk about power-abuse, exaggerating all the bad things about moderation - and humans in general.
Some people tell stupid made-up stories about some unknown forum that was run nazi-style by a bunch of immature, power-hungry kids.
And some people think that the webmaster is enough to moderate a massive forum, even though we all know that he also has a life and ain't no one-man-army.
And some of the old members describes a previous attempt at implementing moderators to this forum, and how that ended up badly.
The webmaster is not present

Im one of the people who think it would be a good idea to have moderators here. I've seen all the arguments, and the only good ones that the opposing part have about this matter is the story about the previously failed moderation attempt. It's a good argument, but exactly how many of us where here back in the old days when this was tested? I was, and I remember why it failed.

First and foremost, the webmaster assigned the moderator title(s) to who I thought were just random people - popular people on the forums. This worked bad because the assigned people where immature (not old enough), power-hungry fools who had no administrative personality traits. Additionally, the forum rules have never really been clear enough so no one really knew where the line was drawn so to speak. People got upset with the moderator(s) because they were too strict, harsh or took stupid decisions.

Im a very administrative and structured person with a big respect for rule and order. But I am also a libertarian: I hate power abuse and oppression, and I love freedom to such an extent that Im almost an anarchist (Im a minarchist :)). So in a way I kinda like the anarchistic atmosphere of this forum. Anyway, Im 100% sure that this forum would be much better with moderation and a little more structure (and clear, understandable rules). The problem though is the execution/implementation. The webmaster needs to decide what forum rules this place need, what should be done when people don't follow these rules, and he needs to decide about the overall direction of this forum. Unfortunatly I have never got the impression that the webmaster is as enthusiastic about this place as many of us hardcore, oldskool members are.

How can I be so sure that moderation will work? Experience. I have been a moderator, administrator, mentor, teacher and service-guy plenty of times before. I've administrated forums, created websites/forums and databases, been responsible for security and order, I've moderated game servers and been officer/raid leader in games like WoW and so on. It's something that I really enjoy doing: helping and teaching. And thats all there is to it really. Being a good moderator/admin requires a certain type of person, a certain mindset, character and personality. Most people think that it's just a prestigeful title handed out to VIP's or an "elite" - and that is far away from the truth. Being a moderator/administrator is not very prestigeful nor is it easy work. You need to put time into it - you sacrifice a tiny bit of your life because you want to help others. You need to be diplomatic, have a good understanding of rules and never ever be affected by loyalties or emotions. And no matter how good you are at it, there will always be people who dislike you just because you are a mod/admin. They will question all your decisions, attack you when they can and try and make you fuck up by making you violate your own principles or break the rules. They will make you look like a bad role model. There will always be people like this who want your title to disappear. And even the best mod/admin can get fed up with too much crap and resign.

I've come across both good and bad administrators, so I've seen both sides of the coin. I know what works and what doesn't, and I know how to fix administrative problems. I know how to deal with people who break the rules, and I know how to deal with corruption and how to develop rules, guidelines and an administrative workflow.

Anyway, if this place were to get moderators, it will be important that:
-Both the webmaster and the members are comfortable with the people who get assigned moderating powers
-That the moderators actually got administrative personality traits. Because far from everyone are suitable.
-That the moderators are adults (18+). Attitude is ofc more important than age, but you understand my point.
-That the forum rules will become much clearer and easily accessable than they are now
-That it's chrystal clear for everyone (members and mods) what will happen when people break rules. It is important that people know that corruption is unacceptable. The community needs to know the decision process and they need to know how they can complain about the decisions.
-That the moderators never are alone about the decision-making (the big ones... im not thinking about moving threads and so on)
-That the moderators are affected by the rules just as much (if not harder) than regular members.
-That favorism and corruption will be crushed.

Either way, Im making this huge post not because I want to advertise myself and ask for moderating powers (because I do not want them). However, I am more than happy to help the webmaster/community out with the theoretical planning and implementation, if this place were to get moderators. :)

Lol nice post, mate!
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Snufkin » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:11 am

Future_Dreamer wrote:
Snufkin wrote:...

Lol nice post, mate!

Thank you
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Future_Dreamer » Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:48 pm

See everyone else seems to agree. The forum needs moderators.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Snufkin » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:04 am

But you forget that this forum is not a democracy
Im interested to hear about the webmaster's future ideas for this website/forum and what he thinks about this whole moderator thing...
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby IntheStars » Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:17 pm

I'm sure we all won't agree on who.
We need to get that avatar/signature in the right place first.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Snufkin » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:29 am

IntheStars wrote:I'm sure we all won't agree on who.
We need to get that avatar/signature in the right place first.

Usually forums have it like this:
You don't ask to be a moderator
You don't tell the administration who should be a moderator
The administration asks people if they are up for volunteer work


But that does need an active administration though - which isn't always present. Especially on smaller forums.
The reason I meantion this is because the last time moderators were on these forums - it just went to shit. All of it!
Some power-hungry, underage members where selected (probably on the criteria of popularity and/or forum posts) to moderate the forum. At the same time there really was no clear forum rules or guidelines on the work process on how to deal with "troublems". So it all ended with "moderators doing things they shouldn't do", and members crying about it. And eventually the webmaster removed the moderation powers from these users.

Everything could've been solved so easy with just three simple things to do:
-Only promote people who got administrative skills and experience
-Establish proper forum rules
-Create an admin section (restricted from members) and some general guidelines on how to deal with upcomming cases.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby IntheStars » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:25 pm

Snufkin wrote:
IntheStars wrote:I'm sure we all won't agree on who.
We need to get that avatar/signature in the right place first.

Usually forums have it like this:
You don't ask to be a moderator
You don't tell the administration who should be a moderator
The administration asks people if they are up for volunteer work


But that does need an active administration though - which isn't always present. Especially on smaller forums.
The reason I meantion this is because the last time moderators were on these forums - it just went to shit. All of it!
Some power-hungry, underage members where selected (probably on the criteria of popularity and/or forum posts) to moderate the forum. At the same time there really was no clear forum rules or guidelines on the work process on how to deal with "troublems". So it all ended with "moderators doing things they shouldn't do", and members crying about it. And eventually the webmaster removed the moderation powers from these users.

Everything could've been solved so easy with just three simple things to do:
-Only promote people who got administrative skills and experience
-Establish proper forum rules
-Create an admin section (restricted from members) and some general guidelines on how to deal with upcomming cases.


Nothing is ever as easy as it seems. Yeah I've been a moderator and watched a site go down just like you described.(not this one I might add, again so we're clear) It seems some small websites are best suited with no moderators. Systems are corrupt. I watched a site go down and it had all you listed, except any skills.
The rules were up- they weren't followed- the moderators tried to control the masses- failed to control the masses and the admin never showed up leaving the moderators to do the cleaning.
This site only allows what... 1,260 or 1026 people online at one time, that's a low server if I say so myself. Webmaster has it covered unless he is going to recruit some cleaner-upers, also only entitling limited access to files on the website, which renders it pointless. The site I worked on had the same php code(I'm pretty sure) and when you give moderators power they have a button to all threads. If you need to clean up some threads they have a delete button to all threads and posts which could get dangerous. You can't control people, they do what they want even if it entitles a banning. People controlling people is just going to piss people off. The internet is too much of an open circuit that's what makes it fun.


Being on the other side and seeing how it sort of works I say nay. It's hard finding trust worthy people these days, that and the knowledge they need to use the power properly.
They have to be of age 25 plus- have a good amount of time to spend on a site- and have little to no capability of getting angry. That leaves nil people on this site. I say Webmaster just takes his time cleaning the place up, only complaint I have is a little organization and cleaning of threads.

Sorry to get so lengthy
and of course this is my personal opinion.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Methadone Jones » Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:31 pm

:x Bullshit!!! I never get mad. pfft...get away from me.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby IntheStars » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:35 pm

Methadone Jones wrote::x Bullshit!!! I never get mad. pfft...get away from me.


Humorous
I was including everyone in that you know, even myself. :D
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Methadone Jones » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:57 pm

Sorry for what I said along time ago.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Tal » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:08 pm

Snufkin - the former DM moderators were all adults. They were all of them in their 30s. One of the main problems they faced (and I've seen this on other moderated forums as well) is that they didn't always agree on what should be removed and what shouldn't. One of them wanted to remove any sigs that contained words she interpreted as "rude" while the others thought that this was too much censorship. There were other issues as well particularly when someone who was a close forum buddy to the mods did the wrong thing but was let off. Meanwhile, someone who was largely disliked would be banned quick smart. Mods are only human and don't like to upset their friends anymore than the rest of us and it's not always possible to separate our feelings from the role we undertake. Besides it's not like mods get paid or any other real benefits for what they do. That's a lot of crap to put up with for no return.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby IntheStars » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:27 pm

Methadone Jones wrote:Sorry for what I said along time ago.



I'm seriously confused now...
Need a hug? :hugs:
No need to be sorry to me, I don't believe you've done anything.



I agree with you Tal on what you said, very wise you are.
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby MegMegsters » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:47 am

How many different threads are there of the same topic? And some people still aren't getting the message? -_________- lol
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby gargoylegoil » Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:48 pm

Seriously...there are 2 posters in DM that need to be monitored
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Re: Why do we not have Moderators in the forum?

Postby Sheena » Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:54 pm

The ones who promote illegal and harmful behavior.
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