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To the moderator

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:54 am
by exuserr
So you have erased my posts and denied me access to my account and I am wondering why you did that without even notifying me.

One thing I am sure of though is that you’ve not only denied me the freedom to express myself but also deprived the others from same. (Our first amendment of the constitution.)

As far as I recall I described the conversation in the “expelled person” thread as unworthy and I used the word “garbage”.

This is America Mr. Moderator. I shall voice my opinion and you are not to block it or block others from sharing it.

I do expect you to reinstate my account (exuser) but if you don’t or if you further delete this one too, I shall not excuse your prejudice and your contempt of our constitution

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:20 am
by exuserr
So where are you Mr. Moderator?
I need not remind you that the “block” option is available on this site so that members who feel offended by a certain user can exercise their right not to follow him/her. This is what democracy is all about.
I may further suggest that you upgrade your system by giving the user the option of viewing sensitive comments through “user privacy settings”. That would be a huge step forward to DM.
Comments of members of this forum are highly appreciated.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:56 pm
by Gus Who
Well there is a correct form for this thread... as it should be placed in the bottom Form - Announcement and Help

Forum Announcements And Help
Do you have a question about using the forum, experience a technical problem or a suggestion to improve the forum? Let us know here! Please note that dreams should not be posted here


But there is only one Mod (Evilmonkey) and he has his hands full dealing with the one spammer from Russia I take... (as he could probably trace the spams to a country (area) ... though it might be useful if he let us know about where such spam is coming from. )

I really doubt he respond to this post, as this is the internet and the US Constitution laws do not apply as ‘rights’ )as this is not America) but have to be worldwide ... so pretty much management can do what they want... unless you sue this site in a Federal Court if ‘real damage’ is done.. like this site can sue the ‘spammer’ if / when this site learns a ‘real name/ party’ ... as such damage to site has and is happening...

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:00 am
by exuserr
Hello Gus
Thanks for responding.
No matter where do I post this thread, I do expect the Moderator not to recuse himself from responding.
I do realize DM's right to a course of action but what I am generally concerned with is the rise of populism and the suppression of the opinion of the others in this country……
The spamming/damage issue you're talking about is a consequence of DM’s inability to improvise and control. Such is the hefty cost DM faces.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:47 am
by EvilMonkey
exuserr, please send me a private message with your old username and I'll look into it.

Thanks, Monk.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 am
by exuserr
Now who says Evil Monkey is evil. Ha?

But since I am not authorized to private messaging, my old user name is exuser.

Thanks Monkey

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:06 am
by EvilMonkey
Hello Exuserr. I have some bad news. Unfortunately, your account was accidentally deleted during our daily purge of Spammers. I may have incorrectly clicked on your username instead of a spammers name and deleted the account. I checked with the Webmaster and there is no way to bring your old posts back. i am very sorry for deleting your posts and your old username. I hope that you didn't have too many posts.

Sorry again for the incorrect deletion.

Monk.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:51 am
by exuserr
EvilMonkey wrote:Hello Exuserr. I have some bad news. Unfortunately, your account was accidentally deleted during our daily purge of Spammers. I may have incorrectly clicked on your username instead of a spammers name and deleted the account. I checked with the Webmaster and there is no way to bring your old posts back. i am very sorry for deleting your posts and your old username. I hope that you didn't have too many posts.

Sorry again for the incorrect deletion.

Monk.


whats done is done. Cheer up and God bless.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:48 am
by exuserr
I’ve been thinking Monk. If I may, here are some suggestions to thwart spammers:
• Thorough validation of account registration.
• If source is known, deny registration.
• Limit the number of permissible characters for all new users and gradually increase them. I know this may not sound attractive but it could be an effective vetting tool.
I would like to report that each time I log in, my computer is notifying me that this site is “not safe”.
I’ve been a user of this site for more than ten years and it is heart breaking to see it being manipulated like this.
Cheers!

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:56 am
by Gus Who
Nice to see management looking inn... and trying to be honest-
... well if Monk is taking suggestions.. (bee wise and read in between the lines)

Most likely the spammer is one party... and therefore keep the community inform ... you should ‘allow’ another user to try to communicate with the subject... as Monk you are an authoritarian and mostly banned such user... hence the ‘fight’ and disrespect of this site...

Most likely the spammer would like to go by one username... so at least that party can be properly addressed.

Personally I would drop the locked post - and rules dealing with the spammer and post a one sentence notice to report questionable post with the triangle with the ! (Point) in the middle... as it’s a bad post to any new user to read through and see first things ... as spam and in-fighting goes...

... as someone with authority in such matters... my :2cents:

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:11 am
by exuserr
Gus, I doubt this is one revengeful user unless you have someone in mind.
The way I see it is that most of the spams here are irrelevant or unsolicited messages for advertising purposes.
If DM does not have an effective spam filtering program, they can permanently stop them by submitting them to blacklisting companies’ such as Spamcop.
It is hard to believe that DM is doing nothing about this annoying issue.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:28 am
by Gus Who
ex userrrr.... this is not my 1st dream site that I’ve witnessed such spam / attack by a party on another party. As such is the nature of doing such Business, as several of the long time users have brought this up to my attention, as they saw/see me as a voice of a Mod... but I like too toddle around :computer: (playpen with Ink)

Even :whoa: Varz ask for help on another dream site...

Now given that I’ve witnessed Spam ‘attacks’ in which this site had to shut down to try to upgrade the system... and the kinds of spam -one can reasonably deduct that this is an “attack” and not this site being placed on a spam market list, as a way to market... :nodding: no - I see this as 1 party (maybe Russian... that was pissed off - a Malek type - an. Old user who fought with Evilmonkey, and was banned and pops up as diffent users ever so often to stick it to the Monk. (Rattle his cage :rawr: )

As this 1 party could of place ‘DM’ on such spambot lists ... but it still 1 party that is the main root of such subject. (Based on years of ongoing ‘Evilmonkey vs Spammer’ button pushes :computer: War)

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:04 am
by exuserr
I am not really sure about this Gus as I’ve been out of touch for a while. It is hard to believe though, that this is the work of one party.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:01 pm
by Gus Who
... may I reminded you of your 1st post heere... (as it sounds... )
exuserr wrote:So you have erased my posts and denied me access to my account and I am wondering why you did that without even notifying me.

One thing I am sure of though is that you’ve not only denied me the freedom to express myself but also deprived the others from same. (Our first amendment of the constitution.)

As far as I recall I described the conversation in the “expelled person” thread as unworthy and I used the word “garbage”.

This is America Mr. Moderator. I shall voice my opinion and you are not to block it or block others from sharing it.

I do expect you to reinstate my account (exuser) but if you don’t or if you further delete this one too, I shall not excuse your prejudice and your contempt of our constitution


... as the spammer probably started out claiming ‘rights’ ... with Evilmonkey... in fact I am not allowed (nor anyone) is allowed to try to communicate with such ‘spammer/ spammers’ ... and it should be obvious to anyone that has been around, this (spamming) is an attack and not meant for a means to gain people to visit porn sites or whatever spam pops up.

- as Evilmonkey lock post is but a feather in the cap for the ‘spammer’ and the way it is now, an eyesore too see for any community member of a reputable dream site to be on. As I don’t really post any more of my dreams ... (toddle around as much) or interpret others as i once use too.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:14 am
by exuserr
The deletion of my posts was a mistake and Monk had the courage to accept that. No one is infallible.
I think you might be a little bit confused to think that there is one party with sinister intentions behind the spamming. Monk may have asked you not to post to a spammer’s thread perhaps in an effort to identify and remove the spam. Albeit a primitive filtering tool, I guess.
Reading your mind, I see that you may have suggestions as to who the spammer might be. If so, come forward.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:06 am
by Gus Who
Obviously ... and I have... (type of person) - a Malek type of person -

As Malek declare himself to be ‘King’ of DreamMoods way back when ... I called him a :king: king :loony: clown
As the party in question (the Spammer) seeks to hurt this community by posting / attacking - in which Evilmonkey becomes the only defendant ... as Evilmonkey problem is that others in this community would of ‘helped’ if ask... as Evilmonkey should kind of know the mindset of user here ... (as he must read through some of this blah-blah-blah ) and :whoa: Varz offered to help with the ‘spammer’ as to have access with the button ( :computer: delete-delete-delete) ... as Evilmonkey was at best showing up once a day to clean the site of spam ... as too now which he has to work overtime... as the attacks come inn...

I pretty sure the Evilmonkey could ask a user who like Varz or others he finds trustworthy to just delete the obvious ‘spam’ and give them an temporary access button to delete such spam... that would of taken care of the problem as the spammer would have to agree that it would not be worth his time to spam - and then go back to his old way -

As 2 or 3 people with delete buttons would over time take back control of this ... poor site

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:40 am
by exuserr
I am not sure I quite remember Malek as I even forgot my own old username. So you’re saying that this guy has been intentionally and consistently doing this for years. That doesn’t make any sense. Perhaps Monk can kindly explain the types of spams he is confronting.
Now I do remember Varzandeh who I think is a decent man. However assigning him the duties of a moderator could trigger a conflict of interest because he is a regular poster here.
Gus, I am having a hard time assimilating your thoughts.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:00 am
by Gus Who
My thoughts (R) are myOwn and not ment to be viewed in order to make easaily cents ( psychic :2cents: ) :infinity:

... but one has to look at the facts at hand, and can understand such cause and effect (spammer v. Evilmonkey) as :whoa: Varz used to be on line the most and could easily handle a delete button to such ‘spam’ as so many others could have done if asked (given the problem this spammer has done to this community in general) just to delete such obvious spam post...

... as I was once asked to moderate such ‘mystic dream site’ by an atheist who had no clue on such spiritual matter subject that some dreams (prophetic dreams) ... well - I digress, as Varz was a moderator on that dream site (sleeps.com) and was well respected to such ‘spammer task’ duty’s...

.. as 2 or 3 people with spam button ability would clearly but an end to such ‘spammer time’ as wasted, even with spambots... plus if one new the right party - you could be on the ... inn ... to such universal justice, and collect ‘party favors’ ... but again I digress

... as I take the ‘Spammer party’ would rather be known as taken on Evilmonkey for (whatever cause that made the path to spam) action taken. As everyone going to have to answer to the ‘universal truth’ ...

:whistling: ... as everyone knows Evilmonkey rule not to talk to the Spammer and find out what his beef is with ‘the attack’ (maybe there is a writs (‘Rights’ issue) ... problem and assimilating is needed to decode such :eat: food for intake!

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:00 am
by exuserr
I don’t think you understand what conflict of interest means…
Your inference that an atheist is unable to discern a mystic issue is not only misleading but absolutely false.
You seem to relate the cause of spamming to Monk’s blocking moves (as in Malek for example) and his abstinence to listen and reason. Whilst this may be true according to you, I can only relate to my case in which he was receptive, responsive, considerate and reasonable.
It is good to know how other forum members feel about this.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:17 pm
by EvilMonkey
Hi guys, I appreciate all of the discussion on how to improve the forums. I have already discussed some of the suggestions with the Webmaster and he'll be mulling them over for the next few days. I wanted to provide some clarity about some of my prior statements and clear up some things that may be causing incorrect perceptions.

1) There is not 1 single spammer that attacks our forums. It is a large set of spammers (usually bots) who post. You may have noticed that the spam messages are in a number of different languages including Russian, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. as well as advertising services from all over the world. I don't want to go into specifics on how we identify the spammers, but there are many. It isn't just one party.

2) I issued the rule to not reply to spammers, because it makes it more difficult on the moderators to find the spam messages and delete them on a timely basis. Also, there is no reason to reply to spammers. They usually only visit the site once, post their spam, and then never return to the site. They will never see any replies and they don't care about any replies you post(Go away, please don't spam our site, etc.). Also, based on the spam posts, I doubt most of them even understand English. They probably enter text into a translation tool from their native language to English.

3) While there has been much discussion about appointing new moderators from the current forum users, this will likely never occur. Approximately 10 years ago, the Webmaster gave a few regular users mod privileges and these users ended up abusing their privileges and the forum was thrown into chaos. The Webmaster got so sick of the crap, the forums died for a few years due to lack of maintenance. All moderators for DM will be recruited externally and no users will be granted mod privileges.

4) Finally, there has been some discussion concerning first amendment rights and freedom of expression. DM appreciates all of the input that its users put into the forums, but the fact is that the forums are privately run and operated. As such, users do not have an automatic first amendment right to free speech. The forum owners (and by extension its moderators) are perfectly free to filter, delete, or amend posts and can even kick off any users that they want to. The mods try to maintain an impartial view of all posts (which is another reason forum users will never again be given mod privileges), but the fact is that we have to maintain a balance between allowing people to express their opinion and maintaining a somewhat harmonious environment for ALL users. I can definitely tell you that it is a very difficult balance act sometimes.

I hope this sets a few things straight. As always, please feel free to send me a PM if you have an concerns and I'll try my best to address them.

Happy Dreams.

Monk.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:32 pm
by Gus Who
... conflict of I - you don’t really think Evilmonkey is reading all the post now do you? As it is people like Varz :whoa: who actually read and report spam and then wait for Evilmonkey to delete such post. I pretty sure there would of been no problems with persons that Monk would of ‘deputies’ as ‘Spam control’ button pusher :computer: and not delete people that show poor judgement in such conflict with authority (Evilmonkey)


... I speak of an atheist, as a ‘non believe’ in such language that is being communicated ... as one has to be wise enough to understand mystic and not say no such prophetic language is possible. As such is a position of a ‘no God, no soul... ‘dimwit’ kind of person vs. a dingbat that falls into a ‘belief of ...” ( :neer: batty stuff.. designed purpose that one has to follow ... :creeping: (universal design)

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:34 am
by exuserr
Hello Monk., and thank you for the clarification.

So you and I see eye to eye on your first three points.

In your forth point however, you say: “…but the fact is that the forums are privately run and operated. As such, users do not have an automatic first amendment right to free speech. The forum owners (and by extension its moderators) are perfectly free to filter, delete, or amend posts and can even kick off any users that they want to.”

This could be a highly contested statement because it intrinsically implies that DM can unilaterally, unequivocally and inexplicably act to kick off users, an action which may very well be construed as a form of racism.

Perhaps a certain set of guidelines ought to be in place rather relying on judgmental impulses of moderators. Examples of such guidelines may include religious bigotry, heinous language/ imagery and flagrant racist remarks…

I would further say that a completely harmonious forum may very well be a dull forum. Concomitantly, spontaneous negative comments by users are often enlightening and inspiring as long as they don’t violate DM’s user guidelines.

We are having this dialogue because of our mutual love for this site.

All the best.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:46 am
by exuserr
I am sorry Gus but I can’t find your ability to reason well; your apparently overindulged thoughts are equivocal and exorbitant.
Your last paragraph fails to portray your intended meaning.
Regards.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:17 pm
by Gus Who
Don’t be sorry, as it takes patients to learn a kind of dream language that I use, as most are like you... an exuser- exuserr... hope you have more patients with this ongoing situation heere.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:43 am
by exuserr
I think you meant patience not patients. Have you finished tenth grade Gus? Anyway, that is not important to me.
Monk appears to have totally discredited your single party (Malek) spammer. And you’re lost for words.

Re: To the moderator

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:48 am
by Gus Who
That is how this dream comunication work if you want to get the real two cents, as the batty computer translates such as I breath into such thing. Plus this is a mental ward, and you’re ex patience with such school of thought... as I claim to ‘Ghost’ and ... well ... no grad from University as it was internationally known. (so spelling English was not as important as context is not as important at the content heere)

Monk tends not to read or be concern with content of site. As only when the spammer hit hard and employed tactics that really attacked ... did Monk act with the rule not to engage... and very rare would he engage in such open ended conversations... about site... as a Mod should have basic and universal ( :2cents: ) rules in which all dummies can interact :toothless: