2012..Do you care?Are you scared?

[CeciliaMystic]

Ok i know there have been a few topics about 2012 but i just wanna know how everyone else feel about it...

For me right now im just wondering about the "what if" situation...i have recently watched on t.v how people are preparing for 2012 and their secret hide-outs and how they refuse to give the location and how some are selling tools of surviving 2012 and how one guy said he have to jump off some high cliff in order to save the world when the solstice come-i know it's sounds crazy to you and that's probably what you are thinking but do you ever really think about it?..

I mean if i see the number 2012 on a channel i just decide to watch and iv'e watched it recently but on another channel and they said the same thing on a different channel about the solar flares on the sun and crap...im just such a curious person and i just wanna know if this 2012 is REAL or not and get it over with!

If it's real i honestly-don't care-what happens-happens but so far an earthquake has happened and a tsunami in Japan has occured who knows what else is in stored for us...but as some might say BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY

[Dorn]

I really don't know what to say. You apparently got zero replies the last time you started this topic, and it baffles me as to why you put this in News & Politics. For your information, there are multiple 2012 threads in each forum section--thousands of posts--that go as far back as 2008. Nothing new has been said since and never will.

However, if there is anything before which you should grant greater attention, it's your education and the future which it concerns.

Godspeed.

[CeciliaMystic]

I really don't know what to say. You apparently got zero replies the last time you started this topic, and it baffles me as to why you put this in News & Politics. For your information, there are multiple 2012 threads in each forum section--thousands of posts--that go as far back as 2008. Nothing new has been said since and never will.

However, if there is anything before which you should grant greater attention, it's your education and the future which it concerns.

Godspeed.

You think i want attention?...Do you have a long-term grudge against me or something?..

I put this here because it didn't belong in the Rant & Rave and i do have my curiosity about 2012 otherwise i wouldn't have made this thread...No offense but look-if you wanna act like a smart-aleck and formal than don't bother saying anything at all in any of my threads...you are starting to annoy me-and therefore i will gladly resist you as much as possible and i reccomend you do the same for me...

[jojo]

I care if the world ends, but not much can be done if it wants to at this point.

It doesn't scare me though, maybe it will come like a thief in the night.

[Dorn]

You think i want attention?...

Yes. That is partly why one starts threads.

Do you have a long-term grudge against me or something?..

I don't hold grudges. Rather, I am puzzled. It is unclear to me whether you are authentic. That is, if it is possible for one to believe that ancient Mayans--an underdeveloped farming culture that couldn't even invent the plow--somehow had the capacity to calculate the time of the apocalypse, a Greek concept for which they didn't have a word.

I put this here because it didn't belong in the Rant & Rave and i do have my curiosity about 2012 [...]

Paying attention in biology or physics class will help you understand a whole lot more about how the world works than asking random strangers on the internet.

[parousia]

Frustrating doesn't even come close.
Do you understand why I am the way I am, Dorn. Can you imagine what I could do with your vocabulary...hurr.
The patten predicted this behavior; the pattern is never wrong, clearly.

[CeciliaMystic]

You think i want attention?...

Yes. That is partly why one starts threads.

Wow so you assume i make threads because i want attention??.You don't think maybe it's the other way around?...maybe you want attention since you keep lashing out or criticizing me every time you have the chance but that's very expecting of you to say that but you don't know me so how do you know i already get enough attention in my real life?..So once you actually get to know me-then that's when you can judge me either way i don't care what you say or anyone else say if i really don't know anything about them-personally.

And responding to your last comment i didn't recall asking anything about if anyone knew any information about 2012-i just wanted to know how they felt about it and their opinions-that's all.

Dorn i have absolutely nothing personally against you but you have got to stop being so serious and just enjoy life or try meditating...i hate drama in real life and i certainly don't need to deal with it online.

[Dorn]

Frustrating doesn't even come close.
Do you understand why I am the way I am, Dorn. Can you imagine what I could do with your vocabulary...hurr.

There are these communes or colonies in Chile, Argentina, and Paraguay where one can live completely outside of society. One has to pay quite a big sum to maintain park rangers and security on the outside, while living completely free on the inside. Then again, a lot of those living there are old Germans (nudist neo-Nazis, Big Lebowski-type Germans), who'd take the fun out of freedom. :/

The patten predicted this behavior; the pattern is never wrong, clearly.

You win this round. In the long run, however, my bet is on randomness (and The Eagle, who is never wrong).

By the bye, what's up with you and fan boy? The bedizenment does not quite fit this most inconvenient spruce, methinks.

[parousia]

I believe it's to do with me having figured out who he is on another website I frequent.
I was going through the photo thread on their site and noticed a person who looked like he could be our chasing rainbows, he was even dressed in the same fruity little tiger suit. So I posted his photo from this site over there with the caption ..some day we'll find it, that rainbow connection and shortly after, this person who hardly ever speaks to me starts poking about in my direction. Not much of poke, but enough.

So if I'm right, then your use of the word bedizenment is quite humorous.
If I wrong, then I don't know...I guess chasing rainbows is just weird like that.

[Dorn]

I believe it's to do with me having figured out who he is on another website I frequent.
I was going through the photo thread on their site and noticed a person who looked like he could be our chasing rainbows, he was even dressed in the same fruity little tiger suit. So I posted his photo from this site over there with the caption ..some day we'll find it, that rainbow connection and shortly after, this person who hardly ever speaks to me starts poking about in my direction. Not much of poke, but enough.

It may seem sudden, but I think that effete frog has had his eye on you for quite a while (May 19, 2010).

So if I'm right, then your use of the word bedizenment is quite humorous.

I first considered using "fruit basket," but it didn't have the pzazz I was looking for.

[jojo]

Rainbows wants to get it in your e hole. Have fun with that.

[eekhx]

I know this sounds weird, but I'm really exited to see what is actually going to happen xxx lol x

[Soulkiss333]

I have a whole different take on it. I have a huge imagination. I have always thought way outside the box, way way out. But i do do my own thinking tho.

Here is what I think, I will try not make this confusing.

I think maybe it could be a change in global thinking...like the beginning of the next episodes on Earth and Human changing. We probably wont even see the change for a hundred years. I think Human thinking on faith and well as how we globally act will change.

Example: Roman and Greek Mythology was pretty much over when the Rome fell. Now days ppl wonder how ppl back then believe in stuff like that. Well, if god can do the impossible, then what's to say the God cant change it's image as the humans come to evolved here on earth, as people, as beings. I mean the one thing known about the universe and life is that everything changes in time. I believe God can change as well, it doesnt always have to be the same forever and not to stop there but God could be in any religion ( or for some no religion)...why not make different religions and beliefs if you are going to make people with free-will. Give ppl more paths. Who and what you connect with may not be who and what I connect with.

Anyway back to my point. Rome fell in 509BC,Rome Republic fell in 27BC and The Roman Empire fell in 476 AD of course it was falling for hundreds of years (around 170AD). But Mythology was around for thousands of years. Esp if you count Egyptians.
Jesus was born about 4bc and Christian faith started 2012 years ago.
Siddhartha (Buddha) born 563BC, Buddhism started 2500 years ago.Started about 500BC
Jewish religion started 2500 years ago.Started about 500BC
Muhammad born 570AD, Islam started 1438 years ago.
Philosophy
Confucius born 551BC, Confucianism started about 500BC
Taoism (founder lived in 600BC) it started in the mid 200BC
Legalism first form in 390-338BC, major practices started 280-208BC
Monism around 390BC
Agrarianism, around 450BC
Naturalists, around 400BC
Logicians, around 300BC
School of Diplomacy, around 300BC

See a pattern...Rome and the old gods died and pretty much the next day the religions and philosophy(s) of today was born. Except for Islam they got a little bit of a late start but it's kinda weird that all these religions and ppl were born around the same time. (in the develop civilizations). It was like time for earth and the ppl to take the next step.

Now the only one that doesnt fit is Hinduism. They have no founder, no date or prophets. They been around for 38,000 years (according to them). They believe we already had a nuclear war which is very interesting esp if you read books by ppl like Zachery Sitchin, like I do. anyway that is a whole different topic. But some major things happen in Hinduism around this same time.

Their text...The Vedas (first text) was finally committed around 300BC
The Atharva Veda around 200BC
Upanishoars (sp) 400BC
Their epics 400BC
Bhagaiad Gita (sp) 400BC

Oh the earliest inscription of Mayan script date to 300BC and in 2006 they found some more Tanakh dated 400BC. I cant find the exact date the calendar was constructed it only gives me the date they started with on the calendar which is like around 3100BC, but that is not when it was written.

So I think it could be time for a new era to start...maybe God will become more personal, or more science mixed with faith, idk but more global togetherness than separation. But I dont think we will really notice any differences for 100s of years, this stuff take time. I think ppl been feeling it for a while but this will mark the beginning of the change. Just like we think how ppl believe in things like mythology and hundreds of years from now they will think the same about us.

Plus it cant be the end because the mayan calendar has 9 stages of man. the Dec thing 2012 is only the 5th thing. Believe it or not I never really thought about it all that much. so, I dont really know too much, that was the first thing that pop in my head when ppl begin talking about the end of the world. I suspect it will be a normal day other than everyone's curiosity about that day...and there will probably be parties..hell why not.

[Salient Living]

Hello CeciliaMystic. I came to this site because I have had multiple dreams regarding, let's say, life as we know it. I looked at the various forum topics and thought this one to be best, contrary to Dorn's opinion of your choice. I would first seek to remind Dorn that this is a dream website and not CNN. Thus, like dreams, anything goes. It seemed to me a logical choice to see if any current news events/discussions either matched my dreams or if others were having similar dreams. I was a bit disappointed to see the unnecessary squabbling that ultimately led to "what's up with you and fan boy?" and "I think that effete frog has had his eye on you" and "I first considered using "fruit basket," but it didn't have the pzazz I was looking for." and some strange discussion about rainbows. So, why is it so appropriate to carry on such gossip and babel in a forum about 2012 changes? Thank you eekhx and Soulkiss333 for setting the forum back on track!

Dorn, it would serve you well to visit the criticalthinking.org bookstore and at minimum get a copy of the Guide to Critical Thinking and the one titled Fallacies. Those and other books on their site will assist you in making sound arguments and discussions without committing multiple fallacies in a single bound.

CeliaMystic, Why do ants prepare for the coming rain? They have no equipment, cameras, weather balloons or satellites yet they somehow know it will rain. If your instinct is telling you something, listen.

Soulkiss333, Interesting chain of events given that the typical belief that history repeats itself. I would argue, however, that history doesn't repeat itself. We will never be right where we are right now again. We do, however, tend to make the same mistakes in different scenarios. The brain continuously seeks to understand what it learns from our senses. In the years prior to BC and long after we lacked the tools and ability to research and better understand the things that happen around us. For example, why do children have nocturnal seizures? Long ago they were thought to be possessed by demons. Today we know better and treat them with medications. When we are unable to explain things we derive best guesses. Those best guesses often take form in mystical and God explanations. As we learn more we alter our previous explanations to fit new facts or interpreted facts. The unfortunate result of multiple religions is intolerance and the delusion of rightness. Although Hinduism is the most tolerant in the world as they recognize a single God and believe all other religions are merely manifesting that same God in a different manner. I wonder, though, how tolerant they are of atheists.

Back to 2012 and the changing of life as we know it. There are multiple possibilities of altering events ranging from solar storms, the great depression take 2, the collapse of American world power, natural disasters, and perhaps even a nuclear catastrophe. I had two recent dreams that could represent any of these scenarios. In one I am driving in a car that has a computerized dash with a monitor showing a map of the US with a news cast showing the states that have dropped off the grid. Now until I had this dream a couple of months ago I had never given thought to 'the grid' and had to do some research to fully understand my dream. As the dream went on and I watched several states on the east coast and several on the west coast drop off the grid (those were the words used in the news announcement) I stopped at a restaurant. There were people in line to eat and the owner was apologizing and explaining that without power they couldn't feed them. The people were complaining that the stores were closed and without the restaurants what would they eat. In my dream I was realizing how helpless so many people would be if they lost the stores and restaurants.

I had a more recent dream in which I was watching rather than in the dream. I was watching a group of 3 children (about 10-13 years old) walking alone through what appeared to be a vacated town. But it had power. The power had come back on. The children walked into a Dairy Cream (go figure kids go for the ice cream first). It was vacant and they spoke about the power being on and made an assumption that it had always been on. They went to the freezers and pulled out tubs of ice cream and began eating. They all got very sick because the ice cream had spoiled before it was re-frozen when the power came on again. I have had other dreams too. I now keep a food supply and a source for cooking and have taught my children (no I don't have 3 and they weren't in that dream) NOT to eat anything they weren't 100% sure of. If nothing happens I can still eat the food. And since food prices are rising at least 10% each year it's a good investment. You can't find a savings account that promises a 10% return.

OK, so those are dreams and not really news or politics. However, you can research any of the possible events and find hoards of news, politics, and events about each of them. A solar storm is predicted to occur in 2012. A possible planetary collision is researched and proposed. Thousands are dieing everyday from hunger with more countries reporting food shortages including the US. Korea, and other countries and they join Africa in starving and American food banks have empty shelves. The US market is still struggling to recover from the fall 5 years ago while several countries in Europe fall into full recession. Nuclear evolution continues regardless of international agreements. NY City had an earthquake and a hurricane last year! Thousands lost power for only 2 days and struggled to get food. A solar storm could knock out the power for weeks or longer in some areas. There's plenty of news.......

I'm curious how many people feel like ants waiting for the rain.

Salient Living

There is a huge difference between planning/preparing and worrying. Plan, prepare, but don't worry. In fact having prepared my family with food and supplies I don't have to worry. We're as ready as we can be. My paraphrased quote for the day comes from Loretta LaRoche who said if we worry about the worst and get the worst we suffer twice. If we think about the best and get the worst we only suffer once. Why would anyone chose to suffer twice?

[Vulcanoid]

I care about 2012. I'm not scared of it. It's part of an endless cycle of destruction and rebirth that is happening ever since the dawn of Earth.
It's like fearing death. It has no point.
Only time will tell what happens.

[irrevocably]

I care about 2012. I'm not scared of it. It's part of an endless cycle of destruction and rebirth that is happening ever since the dawn of Earth.
It's like fearing death. It has no point.
Only time will tell what happens.

Amen.

[tabeabd]

Ooh, this is relevant to my interests!
In the Mayan calendar, in the same way we have centuries and millenia in our calendar, the Maya have b'ak'tun, which is about 394 years. (144,000 days) In December 2012, it'll just be the end of one b'ak'tun, and the start of another. So it's basically the same thing as when people were flipping out over the year 2000. A rather good metaphor my Maya archaeology professor used is that it's like the Maya Y2K.

There's bad things happening in the world all the time. I don't think the date has much to do with it, personally.

[DeepSleeper44]

Not scared because I don't think anything is going to happen.

[alteredmind]

nope, deep sleeper is right, besides, there is already to much bullshit floating around about 2012 anyways. however there were certain asteroids or commits that came to earth and close, one time in the early 1900s a commit or asteroid exploded in the atmosphere close to the ground and burned up a big part of some wilderness, the area that was destroyed I think was The size of London, forget where it was located. also there was another one that came close to earth in 2004 and I think could be seen with the naked eye. there is also supernovas that if the explosion hit earth from at least 100,000 light years or closer then the earth will be fried. also lets not forget that one day the earth will be swallowed up by the sun when it turns into a red giant(star) and lastly if the earth or humans are still around when the universe has the big rip effect then say goodby to the universe and humans.

[starreborn]

nothing is gonna happen, so no, i am not scared.

[YoshKatgirl]

Meh, I'm skeptical as to what'll happen when December 21st 2012 arrives. If shit hits the fan, oh well. There's nothing we can really do about it but more or likely, it'll come and go like any other day, leaving theorists and dooms day prepers scratching their heads in bewilderment, though I'm aware of an increase in natural disasters and "zombie" attacks brought on by abusing bath salts which has gotten me concerned. I'm just nonchalantly going with the flow as the year progresses =P