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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Bubbydoll on Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:56 am

I hate to triple post but other posts have too much in them to crowd my dream into it as well. :P

For whoever may like to interpret have at it please and thanks in advance.

This is a very short dream from two night ago.

I dreamt that I was sitting against a farm fence with cows in the background leaning against it in the tall grass along side of a residential road with my older sister and one of her best friends. They began talking about her becoming engaged ( in rl she is already engaged for awhile to a guy in the UK) and she was going on about the new guy and I was shocked because my family nor myself has ever met the mystery man she was talking about. She was talking like I knew this piece of info and I didn't. So I lean across her friend and ask her, "who is the guy?" and she points down the road to a man walking towards us. She said, " there he is" and I look and this taller guy in a suit coat and black jeans and a black cowboy hat is slowly approaching us. I think to myself ( is he from texas... some oil magnate?) she likes money and uses men in rl for their money so wasn't a far fetched dream thought, lol.
As he begins to get close enough to see who he is I am shocked to see it is this guy from our hometown, a guy who my sister used to hate his name was Darren and he used to be very overweight and had a crush on my sister back in the day, she wanted nothing to do with him in rl. He shakes my hand and sees the surprised look on my face and goes " Yeah, how times change" and he laughed with a smile in the direction of my sister. He then said he has to go put his top down before it rains and he will be right back. So I think, top down, must have money and is why she nows likes him and top down is on his expensive convertible perhaps? I had no idea. If he had a car why did he walk all the way down that road?
So I decide to walk up and see what he was doing on my own and I am shocked to see the top he is putting down is on this old camper ( hard top) lol not a fancy car at all. It was outside of someone's house and he was cranking it down. I stood there confused. The dream ends.

My sister is a user of people, men and my parents all for money so this dream is the opposite of who she really is. That is why it confused me.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Brake4Wind on Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:01 pm

Hmm… Bubbydoll… The setting is a very relaxed farm (fertile ground) and leaning against a fence implies something to fall back on. It seems significant that this mystery man is from your hometown, how he says, “how times have changed” and that he has come so far down the road. (Things you wish your sister would do). No doubt it frustrates you that your sister uses others for money; especially your parents and you hope for change. Maybe there is a reason to raise hopes. The farm lends a feeling of settlement or settling down as does the ‘hometown boy’. Would her marriage give your parents a break? That she would then have a husband who should be meeting her financial needs/ wants? When she is married would your parents expect that she ask him (not them)? If so, it might be a ‘step down’ in the sense that she can’t go to both parents and men for money.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby RockPillow® on Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:20 pm

Dorn wrote:
RockPillow® wrote:Suicide is a very interesting topic.
I agree, especially if I find someone to argue against (especially if said person has studied Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus).

Making my case, I'd say that not only is suicide contemptible in and of itself, but no other act highlights weakness and torpor and decline to the same extent. Supporting suicide requires a full removal of moral values from human striving. And this view of life as a game of numbers or a utility is by itself already a sign of ingrained world-weariness and defeatism.


I haven't read The Myth of Sisyphus, but I've read many absurdest works as well as having dabbled in the genre. Finding meaninglessness in life and the universe is a very post WW2 idea, yet this idea has lasted to the present. An investigation as to why that is would most likely lead us to a case by case study of those who kill themselves over these realizations. However, I think suicide has more to do with other things these days. The arguments that I would make against your case is that your point on suicide is that you need to reword "full removal of moral values from human striving" to "full removal of moral values from personal striving." Yes, one that commits suicide might hold a nihilistic view on the body of humanity and its ongoing pulse, but still there are others who commit suicide but do not think that way. Or perhaps we have different interpretations of what human striving is.

Anyways, I think that suicide is interesting because the possibility of suicide makes us all existentialists. At least temporary to full time existentialists depending on the person. When a person realizes that there is a way to not exist anymore, a new forbidden fruit grows in the Garden of Eden so to speak.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby parousia on Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:20 pm

And the man who spies on the Gods; who gives freely their secrets to anyone who understands what it truly means to listen. Of what absurdity can this man possibly subscribe to if he is never caught?
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Nostalgic on Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:55 am

Bubbydoll wrote:I hate to triple post but other posts have too much in them to crowd my dream into it as well. :P

For whoever may like to interpret have at it please and thanks in advance.

This is a very short dream from two night ago.

I dreamt that I was sitting against a farm fence with cows in the background leaning against it in the tall grass along side of a residential road with my older sister and one of her best friends. They began talking about her becoming engaged ( in rl she is already engaged for awhile to a guy in the UK) and she was going on about the new guy and I was shocked because my family nor myself has ever met the mystery man she was talking about. She was talking like I knew this piece of info and I didn't. So I lean across her friend and ask her, "who is the guy?" and she points down the road to a man walking towards us. She said, " there he is" and I look and this taller guy in a suit coat and black jeans and a black cowboy hat is slowly approaching us. I think to myself ( is he from texas... some oil magnate?) she likes money and uses men in rl for their money so wasn't a far fetched dream thought, lol.
As he begins to get close enough to see who he is I am shocked to see it is this guy from our hometown, a guy who my sister used to hate his name was Darren and he used to be very overweight and had a crush on my sister back in the day, she wanted nothing to do with him in rl. He shakes my hand and sees the surprised look on my face and goes " Yeah, how times change" and he laughed with a smile in the direction of my sister. He then said he has to go put his top down before it rains and he will be right back. So I think, top down, must have money and is why she nows likes him and top down is on his expensive convertible perhaps? I had no idea. If he had a car why did he walk all the way down that road?
So I decide to walk up and see what he was doing on my own and I am shocked to see the top he is putting down is on this old camper ( hard top) lol not a fancy car at all. It was outside of someone's house and he was cranking it down. I stood there confused. The dream ends.

My sister is a user of people, men and my parents all for money so this dream is the opposite of who she really is. That is why it confused me.

I'll try :)
I'm guessing it's about how you view your sister. The peaceful setting of the dream on the country road is you're love for her and the guy representing your hope for change but it's always the same? You're assumption she's with him for money but he ends up having a crap campervan. You want her to be more down to earth and less materialistic?
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Jeff_in_Time on Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:43 pm

Bubbydoll wrote:
Jeff_in_Time wrote:Did he tell you why it was locked?

Open Question for all:
What are two things you'd change about the website if you were a mod?


Flaming and keeping it open might continue the situation so all flame threads such as apparently ones in dreams are locked. Possibly a new policy.

I would let posters be able to lock their own threads as an option on their account, Dustin's forum has that option and it is a good idea.
Along with what others said, I too would remove all the inactive forum accounts, ones with a post or two and never return, make it so if a year passes, delete the accounts, maybe even 6 months and delete it. It frees of bandwidth.

Also I agree with Shara... 3 strikes your out warning system and lowering posts counts work as deterrents.
Karma system is cool, my sweetie's forum has that set up.



I thought that was why. >_<

Locking our own threads is a great idea.
Yeah, karma is a cool option and peeps can have fun with it too.
Only problem would be how much re figuring the website it would take to install it.

I'm going to review your dream and its symbols and copy paste ya some thoughts.
I think B4W and Nos did a great job.

For your dream, BD, I think it is a wishful thinking dream.
Something is one way and you wish it was another way.
Here are some symbols information for ya:

farm-
If you are visiting a farm, it signifies pleasant associations.

To see a farm in your dream, symbolizes a solid business foundation, abundance and prosperity.


fence-

To see a fence in your dream, signifies a need for privacy, or an obstacle or barrier that may be standing on your path.

cows-
To dream of seeing good-looking and fat cattle contentedly grazing in green pastures, interpret prosperity and happiness through a congenial and pleasant companion.

To dream of seeing cows waiting for the milking hour, promises abundant fulfilment of hopes and desires.

To see a cow in your dream, symbolizes fertility, nourishment and motherhood.


To see a herd of cow in your dream, suggests that you are surrounded by many friends.


sister-
To dream of one's family as harmonious and happy, is significant of health and easy circumstances; but if there is sickness or contentions, it forebodes gloom and disappointment.

To see your sister in your dream, symbolizes some aspect of your relationship with her. Or someone in your waking life has qualities similar to your sister. If you do not have a sister and dream that you have one, it signifies some qualities that you need to find or develop within your own self.


black-

Black is an unfavourable omen unless it featured in a funeral or other appropriate situation, in which case it forecasts difficulties to be overcome.


Black symbolizes sorrow, disagreement, unknown, mystery, fear, evil, death, unpleasantness, ill luck, mourning and unhappiness. It also represents your stubbornness. Alternatively, the dream suggests that you are feeling blue in your walking life. If you feel happy in your dream, then blackness could imply a sexual desire or elegant.


walking-

To walk in pleasant places, you will be the possessor of fortune and favor.

For a young woman to find herself walking rapidly in her dreams, interpret that she will inherit some property, and will possess a much desired object.

To dream that you are walking represents your worries and expectations.

To dream that you are walking with ease, signifies a steady progress toward your goals.

To dream that you are walking rapidly, suggests that you will possess a much desired object.

To walk in pleasant places, foretells you will possess fortune and favor.

To walk a lonely street indicates disagreement.


road-

If the road is bordered with trees and flowers, there will be some pleasant and unexpected fortune for you. If friends accompany you, you will be successful in building an ideal home, with happy children and faithful wife, or husband.

rain-

To be out in a clear shower of rain interpret that pleasure will be enjoyed with the zest of youth, and prosperity will come to you.

To see and hear rain approaching, and you escape being wet, you will succeed in your plans, and your designs will mature rapidly.


To dream of rains, symbolizes pleasure, enjoyment, prosperity, fertility or renewal. You are washing away some of your emotions or past memories.

grass-

To see green grass in your dream, signifies comfort, happiness, wealth, fame, and a safe journey.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Jeff_in_Time on Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:47 pm

parousia wrote:And the man who spies on the Gods; who gives freely their secrets to anyone who understands what it truly means to listen. Of what absurdity can this man possibly subscribe to if he is never caught?


Is he spying for his own benefit or the benefit of others?
Sometimes peeps own guilt gets them caught.
Too smartysmarts for the likes of Jeffykins :D

Another think tank Question:
( saw this on another website )

If the average human life span was 40 years, how would you live your life differently?
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby physco kid on Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:31 pm

@ Jeff if it was that i would try to do everything i wanted quicker! :lol:
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Nostalgic on Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:11 am

@ Jeff, I would live it the same way
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Guardian7347 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:27 pm

lol @ Jeff. I already live my life that way. I've never thought about growing old. Never worried about my retirement. Never cared for my "future needs". I may die broken and poor, but I'll be the old man in the nursing home who is always smiling because he has a lifetime of memories keeping him warm at night. Well, memories and gas, of course! :o :lol:
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Brake4Wind on Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:34 am

That’s a hard one Jeff! Maybe I’d take more chances because of a greater sense of urgency but, I’d make more mistakes in haste. I wonder what kept a 100 year war going in the middle-ages when the average life span was only 40! Short life expectancies still exist in some parts of the world (much of it due to war). Maybe man-made strife it’s due to ignorance, more hubris (grab it while you can), less wisdom and less time to reflect on consequence or the will/ ability/ rewards for doing so. A shorter life span doesn’t seem to make us better/ more appreciative; (historically) we were more pessimistic/ resigned to a cruel fate; often barbaric. It seems that the more time we have to consider the long term consequences of our actions, the better we behave.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby SharA2 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:24 pm

Bubbydoll wrote:
I dreamt that I was sitting against a farm fence with cows in the background leaning against it in the tall grass along side of a residential road with my older sister and one of her best friends. They began talking about her becoming engaged ( in rl she is already engaged for awhile to a guy in the UK) and she was going on about the new guy and I was shocked because my family nor myself has ever met the mystery man she was talking about. She was talking like I knew this piece of info and I didn't. So I lean across her friend and ask her, "who is the guy?" and she points down the road to a man walking towards us. She said, " there he is" and I look and this taller guy in a suit coat and black jeans and a black cowboy hat is slowly approaching us. I think to myself ( is he from texas... some oil magnate?) she likes money and uses men in rl for their money so wasn't a far fetched dream thought, lol.
As he begins to get close enough to see who he is I am shocked to see it is this guy from our hometown, a guy who my sister used to hate his name was Darren and he used to be very overweight and had a crush on my sister back in the day, she wanted nothing to do with him in rl. He shakes my hand and sees the surprised look on my face and goes " Yeah, how times change" and he laughed with a smile in the direction of my sister. He then said he has to go put his top down before it rains and he will be right back. So I think, top down, must have money and is why she nows likes him and top down is on his expensive convertible perhaps? I had no idea. If he had a car why did he walk all the way down that road?
So I decide to walk up and see what he was doing on my own and I am shocked to see the top he is putting down is on this old camper ( hard top) lol not a fancy car at all. It was outside of someone's house and he was cranking it down. I stood there confused. The dream ends.

My sister is a user of people, men and my parents all for money so this dream is the opposite of who she really is. That is why it confused me.


I agree with all that Brake4Wind, Nostalgic and Jeff previously posted regarding your dream. I think you may have had a shift in perception regarding your sister because of something irl that happened, if you can think back before you had this dream-- what within her life if anything was changed or would have made you soften your views of her? For myself this is what causes me to dream differently of another person than which I would normally think of them. The new suitor was all dressed in black, maybe a warning of misfortune in your sister's life recently? He may not have represented a man but an event, idk. Rain tends to wash away things, brings new life too( makes trees, grass greener). It shows you worry about your sister and she and her life are real concerns for you. Blessings.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby SharA2 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:30 pm

Jeff_in_Time wrote:Another think tank Question:
( saw this on another website )

If the average human life span was 40 years, how would you live your life differently?


I would try hard to cram all my dreams into that short life span, make myself live a life without regrets, moreso than I do in this life. I would also change my ideas on the right age to marry and have children and would cherish those around me more, because they would not live as long.

I guess all of us can ask questions? here is one.

When should you reveal a secret that you promised you wouldn't reveal?

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How would you describe your future in three words?
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Falling on a tin roof
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To come away with me in the night
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby starreborn on Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:21 pm

SharA2 wrote:
How would you describe your future in three words?


working till death.
we sense that life is a dark comedy and perhaps we can live with that. however, because the whole thing is written for the entertainment of the gods, too many of the jokes go right over our heads.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby physco kid on Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:47 pm

@ SharA2 Finding A love
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby RockPillow® on Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:41 pm

SharA2 wrote:How would you describe your future in three words?


Work, hedonism, death.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby ammunition on Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:06 pm

@SharA2

Happily ever after
Busting up.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby physco kid on Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:24 pm

Question : what age do you think people should be to babysit? :?
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby RockPillow® on Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:37 am

13-15, because they can get better jobs when they're 16.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby ammunition on Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:46 am

yeah, 13 -15
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby SharA2 on Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:18 pm

physco kid wrote:Question : what age do you think people should be to babysit? :?


I would also say 13 years old too-- that was how old I was when I first began babysitting. I think adults feel that one year difference ( from 12 to 13) matters a great deal, especially when they are having you supervise their children.

I forgot to answer my own questions I posted.

You tell a secret when it endangers the lives of others, could harm a child or is a potential crime.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby jojo on Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:12 pm

Hi,
I have a question.

How can you tell if your partner is gay, if you think they could be? :(
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby RockPillow® on Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:28 pm

Look at their cookies.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby jojo on Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:32 pm

Meaning what?

I only want serious answers, thanks.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby RockPillow® on Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:00 pm

To see if he looks at gay porn. Duh.

Though, he could be smart enough to delete his cookies.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby tropicalheatwave on Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:39 pm

SharA2 wrote:How would you describe your future in three words?
exploring, growing, dead
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby jojo on Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:50 pm

RockPillow® wrote:To see if he looks at gay porn. Duh.

Though, he could be smart enough to delete his cookies.


Sorry. idk what you meant.

Can you explain how I can do that? we don't share a computer.

I want to ask them but if wrong it would be as horrible as if being right :(
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Brake4Wind on Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:17 pm

I have to Laugh RockPillow, I took it the wrong way too!
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Nostalgic on Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:47 am

@ shar,
Lucien, Lucien, Lucien

@ phyco kid,
13 I thinks a good age, possibly 12 if they show they're responsible.

@ jojo, what makes you think he's gay?
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby RockPillow® on Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:41 am

jojo wrote:
RockPillow® wrote:To see if he looks at gay porn. Duh.

Though, he could be smart enough to delete his cookies.


Sorry. idk what you meant.

Can you explain how I can do that? we don't share a computer.

I want to ask them but if wrong it would be as horrible as if being right :(


Find out what computer he has, google how to look at cookies on that specific OS, and then when you get a chance to look on his computer you can check his cookies.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby jojo on Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:41 pm

Nostalgic wrote:@ jojo, what makes you think he's gay?

I think he might have always been denying it to me, changes in his behaviors, dress, who he hangs with lately, not as affectionate.

Comments said, and whispers, I have a sick gut feeling that it isn't another girl cheating with its something more. :(
I can't just ask that question to him, it is rude. :worry: people should be honest.

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RockPillow® wrote:To see if he looks at gay porn. Duh.

Though, he could be smart enough to delete his cookies.


Sorry. idk what you meant.

Can you explain how I can do that? we don't share a computer.

I want to ask them but if wrong it would be as horrible as if being right :(


Find out what computer he has, google how to look at cookies on that specific OS, and then when you get a chance to look on his computer you can check his cookies.


Thanks. I will do that tomorrow. Idk if he deletes. I'll practice checking on my own to understand how.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby physco kid on Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:12 pm

just a random question

Anyone: What just puts you to sleep listening to and it just bores the crap outta you :bored: ?
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby tropicalheatwave on Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:56 pm

physco kid wrote:Anyone: What just puts you to sleep listening to and it just bores the crap outta you ?
have you ever listened to the pope or any political figure? that should put you to sleep real fast. :sleep: i wish i lived next to a church where they would have mass at 1am. sleep would be alot easier.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby physco kid on Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:00 pm

hah i always find myself doing that! :lol:
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Xwikki on Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:52 am

physco kid wrote:Anyone: What just puts you to sleep listening to and it just bores the crap outta you :bored: ?

For some reason I find ducks quacking really soothing. I was thinking that it's because I used to visit ponds alot when I was younger.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Nostalgic on Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:03 pm

Xwikki wrote:
physco kid wrote:Anyone: What just puts you to sleep listening to and it just bores the crap outta you :bored: ?

For some reason I find ducks quacking really soothing. I was thinking that it's because I used to visit ponds alot when I was younger.

Hubby has quaking ducks as his alarm sound. Drives me nuts but he loves it.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Dorn on Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:04 pm

RockPillow® wrote:Finding meaninglessness in life and the universe is a very post WW2 idea, yet this idea has lasted to the present.
Would you care to be a little more specific with regards to the definition of meaninglessness? Does it entail despair before anomie, alienation, and nothingness, or do you mean something else?

The arguments that I would make against your case is that your point on suicide is that you need to reword "full removal of moral values from human striving" to "full removal of moral values from personal striving." [...] Or perhaps we have different interpretations of what human striving is.
Striving is the struggle and aim for specific ends/goals. Declaring it human puts the striving (necessarily) in a field of competition and cooperation, conflict and coalescence. But it may have been superfluous since a person/individual can never opt out of society. Regardless, wherever you appear in this snake pit of perpetual warfare, suicide illustrates the will in a state of sickness, which I find to be of greater interest than its final outcome (the suicide).

I think that suicide is interesting because the possibility of suicide makes us all existentialists. At least temporary to full time existentialists depending on the person. When a person realizes that there is a way to not exist anymore, a new forbidden fruit grows in the Garden of Eden so to speak.
I enjoy how you presented that, but you are missing the most vital aspect of suicide: it takes a significant amount of willpower and strength to follow through with it. As such, it is the complete opposite of fatigue or weakness which is needed for suicide to take its course. It is rarely spontaneous. What lies at the heart of suicide, furthermore, is that it requires a reversal of the survival instinct. As such, suicide necessitates a pathological desire for self-renewal stronger than the fear of death.

Going back to your initial statement, I would add that thinking of suicide turns you into an existentialist reaching for forbidden fruit. Committing suicide, on the other hand, is the end result of a malfunction (psychosis).
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby physco kid on Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:28 pm

Anyone who is an empath: whats the worst thing you got off a person?


I felt a break up would be my worst :fuming:

Anyone who isnt an empath: What would be your theme song if you could have one

Mine :OMG
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby RockPillow® on Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:02 pm

Dorn wrote:
RockPillow® wrote:Finding meaninglessness in life and the universe is a very post WW2 idea, yet this idea has lasted to the present.
Would you care to be a little more specific with regards to the definition of meaninglessness? Does it entail despair before anomie, alienation, and nothingness, or do you mean something else?


Well, not only a post WW2 idea but an idea that existed within the minds of thinkers and people during WW2. These thoughts were that everything in an absurd world is meaningless due to the ideas of the Death of God and the confrontations with nothingness. Not to say that nothingness was a WW2 realization, since the Mayans were the first, as far as we know, were one of the first people to come up with 0. However, I think that Stoicism caught on during those times due to the dictatorships and people also became aware of Nihilism during and after the war due to the scribbles of (just to name a few) Sartre, Pratt, and Nietzsche. Regardless of your opinions of Nihilism, it poses the threat of a world view that there is morality and that moralities might be preferences of one person or an entire society. This caused dissonance between individuals in society in how they coexisted. I think all of these things could be linked to meaninglessness depending on each person (that thought about these things) who lived through those times.

Dorn wrote:
RockPillow® wrote:The arguments that I would make against your case is that your point on suicide is that you need to reword "full removal of moral values from human striving" to "full removal of moral values from personal striving." [...] Or perhaps we have different interpretations of what human striving is.
Striving is the struggle and aim for specific ends/goals. Declaring it human puts the striving (necessarily) in a field of competition and cooperation, conflict and coalescence. But it may have been superfluous since a person/individual can never opt out of society. Regardless, wherever you appear in this snake pit of perpetual warfare, suicide illustrates the will in a state of sickness, which I find to be of greater interest than its final outcome (the suicide).


You see, I took your use of the word human as saying that human life is pointless and that the fact that all humans live is also pointless. My rewording from human to personal was due to the fact that not all suicidal cases think this way. Of course, I misinterpreted your interpretation of human striving, and since I now know what you mean to say (that living in accordance to society isn't something that one can avoid and can be very conflicting) I take back my rewording.

Dorn wrote:
RockPillow® wrote:I think that suicide is interesting because the possibility of suicide makes us all existentialists. At least temporary to full time existentialists depending on the person. When a person realizes that there is a way to not exist anymore, a new forbidden fruit grows in the Garden of Eden so to speak.
I enjoy how you presented that, but you are missing the most vital aspect of suicide: it takes a significant amount of willpower and strength to follow through with it. As such, it is the complete opposite of fatigue or weakness which is needed for suicide to take its course. It is rarely spontaneous. What lies at the heart of suicide, furthermore, is that it requires a reversal of the survival instinct. As such, suicide necessitates a pathological desire for self-renewal stronger than the fear of death.

Going back to your initial statement, I would add that thinking of suicide turns you into an existentialist reaching for forbidden fruit. Committing suicide, on the other hand, is the end result of a malfunction (psychosis).


Yeah, I wasn't exactly thinking about that when I made the analogy. I was trying to find something fancy to end the post with and your reasoning as to why that wasn't the best analogy are understandable. Anyways, I would love to know how suicide is always due to psychosis. Are you saying always or am I just thinking that you are? If so, how are all cases of suicide a result of losing touch with reality? What about suicide when the threat of death is not only imminent but very soon, such as people jumping off the WTC because they didn't want to burn or crumble with the building; are these cases the result of psychosis? (sorry for being careless for using that as an example by the way) If always wasn't what you meant, then ignore my babble. If it was, persuade me.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Dorn on Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:08 am

RockPillow® wrote:Regardless of your opinions of Nihilism, it poses the threat of a world view that there is morality and that moralities might be preferences of one person or an entire society. This caused dissonance between individuals in society in how they coexisted. I think all of these things could be linked to meaninglessness depending on each person (that thought about these things) who lived through those times.
In order to remove all ambiguities, I'll highlight Nietzsche's definition.
    The Will to Power, part 1, section 2:
    What does nihilism mean? That the highest values devaluate themselves. The aim is lacking; "why?" finds no answer.
Nietzsche further distinguishes between radical and passive (or reactive) nihilism, where the first actively destroys the social order and established values (the will to nothing or new values) and the second is a continuous erosion (the fatigue of will).

Now, looking back at the circumstances surrounding our post-Cold War condition--to somehow differentiate it from the years of superpower bipolarity and its various dichotomies (communism-capitalism, oriental-occidental)--we currently find ourselves in the midst of a fragmentation of the former order. The forces of radical nihilism--e.g., islamists and jihadists, or cyberwarriors and wikileakers, or street occupants and rioters--have usurped the previous role of the communists, albeit without the support of and identification with a contemporary superpower. Like our postmodern times, and our unconscious, these forces are fragmented, decentralized, and spontaneous.

Therefore, suicide in either a radical or reactive condition--that is, as strong-willed martyrdom in the first case and fatigued depravity in the second--is at all times a rejection of life and civilization. It is but two manifestations of psychosis.

Anyways, I would love to know how suicide is always due to psychosis. Are you saying always or am I just thinking that you are?
I intended the statement to be taken as a rule with exceptions (assisted suicide, panic, fear, etc.).
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Bubbydoll on Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:13 pm

Brake4Wind wrote:Hmm… Bubbydoll… The setting is a very relaxed farm (fertile ground) and leaning against a fence implies something to fall back on. It seems significant that this mystery man is from your hometown, how he says, “how times have changed” and that he has come so far down the road. (Things you wish your sister would do). No doubt it frustrates you that your sister uses others for money; especially your parents and you hope for change. Maybe there is a reason to raise hopes. The farm lends a feeling of settlement or settling down as does the ‘hometown boy’. Would her marriage give your parents a break? That she would then have a husband who should be meeting her financial needs/ wants? When she is married would your parents expect that she ask him (not them)? If so, it might be a ‘step down’ in the sense that she can’t go to both parents and men for money.


Thankies to you, Brake4wind, Nossie, Jeff and Shara for looking at my dream. :hugs:

The setting was really peaceful, so unlike the relationship I have with my sister, not peaceful at all. I was shocked when the guy was that hometown guy and someone my sister clearly shunned all those years ago, she is materialistic and all about appearances. She seemed happy, and he was definitely happy and excited about the union. I do wish she would change, especially for her daughter, I do not want those characteristics seen by her and repeated in her later yrs. No matter what harm my sister does wrong, my mom excuses it all, it is always another person's fault never my sister's. They enable her behaviors, I think. Thank you for all you told me, a lot is so true. :cheers:

Nostalgic wrote:I'll try :)
I'm guessing it's about how you view your sister. The peaceful setting of the dream on the country road is you're love for her and the guy representing your hope for change but it's always the same? You're assumption she's with him for money but he ends up having a crap campervan. You want her to be more down to earth and less materialistic?


I do not view her in a very favorable light, Nossie. I wish she was a different person, but she is what she is. My only sibling and it is very disappointing to me. Aw, the setting was tranquil, no chaos, even that start of light rain I walked in was pleasant later on. Do you think it is about me judging her too much also? I assumed something in my dream that was false. I wish she liked people for who they are not what she can get off them. Thank you for helping me :cheers:

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For your dream, BD, I think it is a wishful thinking dream.
Something is one way and you wish it was another way.


Oh my gawd, the ultimate wishful thinking dream, Jeff. Yeps. I dreamt her how I want her not even close to how she really is in real life. Thankies for all the one by one dream symbols from my dream, I will copy paste them and go over each another time. :cheers:

SharA2 wrote:I agree with all that Brake4Wind, Nostalgic and Jeff previously posted regarding your dream. I think you may have had a shift in perception regarding your sister because of something irl that happened, if you can think back before you had this dream-- what within her life if anything was changed or would have made you soften your views of her? For myself this is what causes me to dream differently of another person than which I would normally think of them. The new suitor was all dressed in black, maybe a warning of misfortune in your sister's life recently? He may not have represented a man but an event, idk. Rain tends to wash away things, brings new life too( makes trees, grass greener). It shows you worry about your sister and she and her life are real concerns for you. Blessings.


A week before I had this dream my sister lost her job, my mom told me that people at her work pushed her out for what ever reasons. I didn't believe the reasons my sister gave my mom, they seemed sketchy to me, but I definitely felt sorry for her and that she has lots of bills and needs that job for her and her daughter. Her ex, one of them ( the daddy) does not pay any child support he scams out of it, so the new guy and my parents cover her bills when she went over, and it makes me wonder what will happen now, with her house and car. I am not a heartless person, and in the past I have even given her money, but she is the most unappreciative person I ever met. Nothing is never enough for her. So that might have caused me to wish her a simplier way to live her life and a more real way. Thankies for your help. :cheers:
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Bubbydoll on Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:31 pm

I'll answer all the others questions asked since I was offline in this post :P

Jeff_in_Time wrote:Another think tank Question:
( saw this on another website )

If the average human life span was 40 years, how would you live your life differently?


I would go for my dream job in fashion, not wait. I would also marry at 19 yo and get right on that family. I would travel more, see the world something I have never really done, and not live a life held back by fears, there would be no time to be scared, just do it.

SharA2 wrote:I guess all of us can ask questions? here is one.

When should you reveal a secret that you promised you wouldn't reveal?

&

How would you describe your future in three words?


I would only betray a trust when the person was going to harm themselves, or take a life and hurt an innocent party. Usually I am very loyal and will not blab something I am trusted with.

My future in 3 words: Loving my life.

physco kid wrote:Question : what age do you think people should be to babysit? :?


I am also going with the group on 13 yo. To me that is the right age for someone to start babysitting, I think it also helps if the one babysitting has younger bros and sisters or some experience with kiddies beforehand too.

jojo wrote:Hi,
I have a question.

How can you tell if your partner is gay, if you think they could be? :(


Suspicious behaviors? Some guys like mine are very metrosexual and like to look good, so you cannot judge off certain things. I guess if he is setting your gaydar off, something is wrong, esp if he never set it off previously. Can you ask a friend of his, it will prolly get back to him though. If he is then he is very closeted and most likely will not tell you himself. If it continues to nag you you will have to have a talk with him, if not it will drive you batty.

I used to put these on Parisian dreams forum, and I will add a few in here from time to time for you all to answer, if you'd like to. :cheers:

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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby tsetse22 on Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:56 pm

Liking the thread. Haven't read 100% yet.

I am optimistic because it filters in to good things in the real. Life and reality is perception.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It's a crime because, while you own your life, you belong to
the ones you love and who love you. They're just as much victims in the wake of a selfish act . trust me, I know what I am talking about.

Prostitution is a temporary solution to a permanent problem (hey, I just came up with that one on the fly....not too deep is it? ha ha ha ..In reality, I am on the fence on that issue . . like weed it'd be a tough legalization to regulate & tax.

There are secrets I'll take to my grave, but will then come out in the light of Judgement (I assume) but if harm is pending in any way...Don't tell me a secret.. I dun wanna know..For example, if a friend says he's cheating on his wife and our fam's are tight..... damn. Man-code dictates he STFU about it.
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Love the Karma rating idea. It sure beats the name tag they give yo here... I've been a "Sweet Sensation" for a year now... what am I???..... a man or breath mint?


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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby physco kid on Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:56 pm

Of moving to the place i hated so much.

iz Hate this day does anyone else do?
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby Bubbydoll on Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:20 pm

tsetse22 wrote:Love the Karma rating idea. It sure beats the name tag they give yo here... I've been a "Sweet Sensation" for a year now... what am I???..... a man or breath mint?
t/y


Haha I lol'd on this. I thought you asked for that specialty name yourself. Ask the webmaster to change it to something else, maybe a nickname your family likes to call you, something that will make you smile whenever you see it. :hugs:

physco kid wrote:Of moving to the place i hated so much.

iz Hate this day does anyone else do?


Today is sort of one of the better ones for me, a few last week sucked massively though.

How come you do not like today, is all okay, you can share anything you'd like in here, no one is here to judge you, sweetie, and it helps to talk stuff out. :hugs:


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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby jojo on Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:25 pm

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jojo wrote:Hi,
I have a question.

How can you tell if your partner is gay, if you think they could be? :(


Suspicious behaviors? Some guys like mine are very metrosexual and like to look good, so you cannot judge off certain things. I guess if he is setting your gaydar off, something is wrong, esp if he never set it off previously. Can you ask a friend of his, it will prolly get back to him though. If he is then he is very closeted and most likely will not tell you himself. If it continues to nag you you will have to have a talk with him, if not it will drive you batty.


I am checking his computer in next few days. :worry:

In my gut and in his actions they are all suspicious to me. Yes, he is setting off my gaydar BIGtime. I am thinking about telling him about my dream first and see how he reacts.

I feel sick about this. :( Thanks for your reply.

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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby physco kid on Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:17 pm

@ bubblydoll
yesterday i had a bad day I kept doing bad on the flute i have and learning :( But today was better i gotz complements on how i played. :excited: and infact a little boy came where i was at and watched me play i think he was like 4 or 5 at the oldest and he liked how i played! it was cute he was trying to figure out how i got sound from it! :lol: :)

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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby SharA2 on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:07 pm

Bubbydoll wrote:A week before I had this dream my sister lost her job, my mom told me that people at her work pushed her out for what ever reasons. I didn't believe the reasons my sister gave my mom, they seemed sketchy to me, but I definitely felt sorry for her and that she has lots of bills and needs that job for her and her daughter. Her ex, one of them ( the daddy) does not pay any child support he scams out of it, so the new guy and my parents cover her bills when she went over, and it makes me wonder what will happen now, with her house and car. I am not a heartless person, and in the past I have even given her money, but she is the most unappreciative person I ever met. Nothing is never enough for her. So that might have caused me to wish her a simplier way to live her life and a more real way. Thankies for your help. :cheers:


You are welcome-- I think that incident is what caused your dream. Worry makes us want to make things better for those we care about bring good to them, in what ever way we can, lessen their burdens. Regardless of your current relationship or any friction your mind wants her troubles to be taken care of. Blessings.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

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I would not only erase the memory I would also erase the event too. That would be the death of my father-- he was the rock that held us together, the one we all respected and looked to in times or worry and he never failed us. The loss of any person of character is difficult and make that even greater when it is a parent. You would think the older you get things will become easier to cope with and that is just not so.
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Re: Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

Postby tsetse22 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:20 am

There are many events I wish never took place, but they've made me who I am.. and that's the hand I have to play. No choice...
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