Rant and Rave Think Tank 2

[jojo]

People please dont be mad at me for asking this but do any of you think that Breaking Dawn and all the twilight series is making history now and that we will still talk about it 50 yrs from now like how we talk about Elvis and Marelyn Moroe? ***flinches a little and ducks down waiting for a tomatoe to be thrown at me**

Do I think it is timeless?

If you love it, it will be. if you don't, no. There is a new movie coming out about Marilyn I want to see.

Throws an at you.

[RockPillow®]

Here is some copypasta from wikipedia:

Casu marzu (also called casu modde, casu cundhídu in Sardinian language, or in Italian formaggio marcio, "rotten cheese") is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese, notable for containing live insect larvae. It is found mainly in Sardinia, Italy.
Derived from Pecorino, casu marzu goes beyond typical fermentation to a stage most would consider decomposition, brought about by the digestive action of the larvae of the cheese fly Piophila casei. These larvae are deliberately introduced to the cheese, promoting an advanced level of fermentation and breaking down of the cheese's fats. The texture of the cheese becomes very soft, with some liquid (called lagrima, from the Sardinian for "tears") seeping out. The larvae themselves appear as translucent white worms, about 8 millimetres (0.3 in) long.[1] When disturbed, the larvae can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in). Some people clear the larvae from the cheese before consuming while others do not.



Casu marzu is created by leaving whole Pecorino cheeses outside with part of the rind removed to allow the eggs of the cheese fly Piophila casei to be laid in the cheese. A female Piophila casei can lay more than five hundred eggs at one time.[1][2] The eggs hatch and the larvae begin to eat through the cheese.[3] The acid from the maggots' digestive system breaks down the cheese's fats,[3] making the texture of the cheese very soft; by the time it is ready for consumption, a typical casu marzu will contain thousands of these maggots.

Casu marzu is considered to be unsafe to eat by Sardinian aficionados when the maggots in the cheese have died. Because of this, only cheese in which the maggots are still alive is usually eaten, although allowances are made for cheese that has been refrigerated, which can kill the maggots. When the cheese has fermented enough, it is often cut into thin strips and spread on moistened Sardinian flatbread (pane carasau), to be served with a strong red wine.[3][5] Casu marzu is believed to be an aphrodisiac by local Sardinians.[6] Because the larvae in the cheese can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in) when disturbed,[1][7] diners hold their hands above the sandwich to prevent the maggots from leaping. Those who do not wish to eat live maggots place the cheese in a sealed paper bag. The maggots, starved for oxygen, writhe and jump in the bag, creating a "pitter-patter" sound. When the sounds subside, the maggots are dead and the cheese can be eaten.

Larvae, if eaten alive (accidentally or otherwise), can pass through the digestive system alive (human stomach acids do not usually kill them) and live for some time in the intestines. This is referred to as an enteric myiasis. Cheese fly larvae are a leading cause of myiasis in humans, and are the insect most frequently found in the human intestine.[10] The larvae can cause serious intestinal lesions as they attempt to bore through the intestinal walls. Symptoms include nausea, vomiting, pain in the abdomen, and bloody diarrhea. Living and dead larvae may pass in the stool.



So my questions: Do you think that this is safe to eat? Would you eat casu marzu knowing about what it can do to the intestines? Do you think anybody should be eating it, knowing what these insects can do? What are some of the other foods and drinks that you think shouldn't be made, sold, or eaten?

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

UHHH YUCK. Im swearing off all cheese!

[Nostalgic]

I can't eat blue cheese let alone one with live creepy crawlies

[misha666]

Casu marzu (also called casu modde, casu cundhídu in Sardinian language, or in Italian formaggio marcio, "rotten cheese") is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese, notable for containing live insect larvae. It is found mainly in Sardinia, Italy.Derived from Pecorino, casu marzu goes beyond typical fermentation to a stage most would consider decomposition, brought about by the digestive action of the larvae of the cheese fly Piophila casei. These larvae are deliberately introduced to the cheese, promoting an advanced level of fermentation and breaking down of the cheese's fats. The texture of the cheese becomes very soft, with some liquid (called lagrima, from the Sardinian for "tears") seeping out. The larvae themselves appear as translucent white worms, about 8 millimetres (0.3 in) long.[1] When disturbed, the larvae can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in). Some people clear the larvae from the cheese before consuming while others do not.

u have ruind cheese for me.
i hate bugs!

[physco kid]

Casu marzu (also called casu modde, casu cundhídu in Sardinian language, or in Italian formaggio marcio, "rotten cheese") is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese, notable for containing live insect larvae. It is found mainly in Sardinia, Italy.Derived from Pecorino, casu marzu goes beyond typical fermentation to a stage most would consider decomposition, brought about by the digestive action of the larvae of the cheese fly Piophila casei. These larvae are deliberately introduced to the cheese, promoting an advanced level of fermentation and breaking down of the cheese's fats. The texture of the cheese becomes very soft, with some liquid (called lagrima, from the Sardinian for "tears") seeping out. The larvae themselves appear as translucent white worms, about 8 millimetres (0.3 in) long.[1] When disturbed, the larvae can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in). Some people clear the larvae from the cheese before consuming while others do not.

i absolutely hate bugs!!!

they are so nasty *flinches*
i will never eat that cheese

People please dont be mad at me for asking this but do any of you think that Breaking Dawn and all the twilight series is making history now and that we will still talk about it 50 yrs from now like how we talk about Elvis and Marelyn Moroe? ***flinches a little and ducks down waiting for a tomatoe to be thrown at me**

lol XD
*throws at you then*
probably for those who are big fans .
i am not one

[JeremyM]

What would you say my wish fulfillment was in this dream?

It depends on the significance of the eagle. Not only is it a symbol of vitality (as in life-related) in various forms, but it also represents an important link between you and your dad. The eagle soars the sky. The ducks, on the other hand, are base creatures. They represent repressed thoughts breaking out from the depths (of your unconscious); in the dream they are ominous elements powerful enough to "kill the eagle," i.e., all that it signifies (freedom, life as you know it, etc.).

The wish, as such, is the merger of the two impossibles: the celestial (higher; singular; eagle) and the subterranean (lower; plural; ducks).

So my own inability to do the right thing, is why the eagle landed low and why it flew when it should have stayed put?

No, that would be too causal. The events unfold in accordance with your particular signifier-chain, from thought patterns and processes to your implicit and explicit vocabulary.

Nice reply, thanks. I think with the help I got in here this is where I will post all my dreams from now on, you just get great replies and no BS.

Cool concept, one that I didn't think about between the eagle and the ducks. The eagle being high flying, the ducks low lying.

We weren't even there to kill ducks, dream might make more sense if we were, but we only were there to fish.

So I am having a tug of war with myself? Have to admit your last line, flew over my head like the ducks did in my dream, lolz. Why are some dreams so god damn deep seated.


@ Misha- here is my dream, hun.

Started out with my dad and I going fishing one early am. It was one of those misty mornings where you can barely see in front of you, we loaded up our boat and went out to a spot we heard was a proven area and waited.

The sun was trying to work its way through the mist and clouds and we could see alot more around us. There was a big rock not far in the distance and we noticed a bald eagle land on it.

My dad was most impressed, we cracked open 2 beers and cheers to its presence. Then a large group of ducks came out of a marsh area and flew past, spooking the eagle and having it take flight with them.

In that commotion shots rang out, alot of them. It was hunters waiting for the ducks and dropping from the sky was our friend the bald eagle, it landed between both of our feet. We stared at it and then at each other in shock, wtf. My dad cried out " YOU BASTARDS "

@ Rockpillow- I think I'd still try the cheese, just to say I did. Look at the side effects from eating it, the first you can get from just smelling it and looking at it, lolz.

[tsetse22]

Jeremy...
I still believe an under-current of your relationship with your Dad was a driver of the fishing dream.

As I mentioned to you in DM, I came up with idea (guess) that possibility some shared aspect of life that you and your Dad (or even just you and your super -ego/parental side/mode of thinking) is under attack from the people you come across in life lately. Perhaps your idealism, work ethic, or spiritual convictions are under fire... and if so, please realize it is a"from within" sort of reproach.

I would throw out that you will never be your father, nor he you.

[Dorn]

Nice reply, thanks. I think with the help I got in here this is where I will post all my dreams from now on, you just get great replies and no BS.

You're welcome.

We weren't even there to kill ducks, dream might make more sense if we were, but we only were there to fish.

Simply put, fishing--like digging or excavating--means looking for something beneath the surface. And the ducks are what appeared from the depths (unconscious) as you did this, being the unwanted side-effect of your discovery.

So I am having a tug of war with myself?

Yes, albeit a perpetual tug of war between two irreconcilable drives: one stabilizing (following your dad's lead, having a beer together, watching the eagle) and one disrupting (eruption of ducks, hunters opening fire, killing the eagle).

[1] Do you think that this is safe to eat? [2] Would you eat casu marzu knowing about what it can do to the intestines? [3] Do you think anybody should be eating it, knowing what these insects can do? [4] What are some of the other foods and drinks that you think shouldn't be made, sold, or eaten?

1. If you had read the wiki page, you'd know it isn't.
2. Yes! In fact, I must have this delicacy now that I know it's poisonous (although not as lethal as blowfish).
3. Pregnant women and those of frail health beware.
4. Anything found in the regular Southern kitchen should be quarantined and detoxified. People who eat fried butter ...

I am Catholic lol

As a Protestant I share a lot of common ground with you, but there is a cultural divide nonetheless. I have, for instance, never seen the priest (male or female) as other than a mediator, never as an authority. Moreover, penance, last rites, and "works" are as foreign to me as Muslim pilgrimage or kowtowing. Lastly, I cannot recall a single occasion in which events in the Old Testament were referred to other than as incidental references.

7,000 followers is not bad to start, crazies multiply quickly, he'll have 14,000 soon and +.

Crazies may multiply, but there are so many cults to choose from.

So if the mark isn't literal, what is it

One interpretation would be that such a follower is easily recognizable. In other words, that this kind of evil is visible for all to see ("written on your forehead"), while also being present in all things you do (having X "on your hands").

Do you think the Bible and what is written inside is real, or is storytelling?

First off, the Old Testament is the book of law for the ancient tribe of Israel; the New Testament, the book of grace, is revelatory. And, as I posted above, the New Testament is written in the form of lyric poetry, which presents the content in a specific form of storytelling/narrative.

[Brake4Wind]

Hey Jeremy- Thanks for the responses. You are fortunate to have the benefit of great input from so many to add to what I think has multi-layered meanings. Shar has introduced many outstanding points (freedom, adversity & adapting) so many elements relate to these things; psycho kid makes a great observation about the pun on 'sitting ducks'; Dorn makes an excellent point about the ducks representing repressed thoughts- an ability to "kill the eagle"- that's something to consider! We hate being vulnerable but the fact is- we are- even from within.

The amazing thing about dream symbols is that they can capture at a glance more than words can express and embrace more than one meaning (I think yours has). The eagle reinforces the bond between father and son. Your independence does not break this bond- it strengthens it (you toast in mutual joy). I see the eagle as low/ close to emphasize the importance of the symbol; that includes trust, unity, likeness in qualities. They are mutual qualities that you/ your father admire in each other and as the storyline develops, both hopes and fears are revealed. I think that a fundamental purpose of dreaming is for survival or the quality thereof. In the process we experience our fears and doubts as those nagging little feelings come to the surface to be examined.

Simply put, fishing--like digging or excavating--means looking for something beneath the surface. And the ducks are what appeared from the depths (unconscious) as you did this, being the unwanted side-effect of your discovery.

JeremyM wrote:So I am having a tug of war with myself?
Yes, albeit a perpetual tug of war between two irreconcilable drives: one stabilizing (following your dad's lead, having a beer together, watching the eagle) and one disrupting (eruption of ducks, hunters opening fire, killing the eagle).

I agree with the synopsis- an outstanding summation Dorn!

@ Bubbydoll- What did my grandparents teach me?

Both grandfathers died when I was quite young but my grandmothers insisted that we settle our childish disputes amongst ourselves and they would not intervene- even when the bully was bigger/ older/ stronger (my cousin for one). We couldn't overpower a bigger bully (on our own) so we came up with another solution: 10 small ones climbed all over him, pinning him down until he relented. We learned the value of democracy early in life- especially the right to a speedy trial by a jury of our peers. One cousin was so annoying, I got even by pretending to hide a small box of chocolates (it was actually chocolate ex-lax wrapped in candy foil). When he taunted me for eating the chocolates- HAHAHA!- "Go cry to grandmother if you dare!"

[SharA2]

Can men and women ever really be just friends?

Yes. Especially if you are the type of person who treats both sexes the same and with the same amount of respect and if your friend flirts with you, set them straight right away and set boundaries. If you want to keep a friendship platonic it is not difficult to do.

@ SharA2- yes I have, thanks, hun. You all have been great about my dream. You typed you felt it landing low was trust and since you feel the eagle was me, my trust or blind trust of others in my life, I assume you mean?

You have to decide what it means to you, yourself, JeremyM.

Examine your real life and see where all the interpretations you received fits in. You are lucky because Dorn, Brake4wind, tsetse22, Bubbydoll, pyschokid and modestly said, myself tried to examine your dream to our best abilities to lead you on a good path of discovery. But to answer your question to me-- yes, your trust of everything around you, protect yourself, you do not have to always be the nice guy, or hold your tongue. ( as you did in your dream) Speak up.

@ RockPillow-- No, I would not intentionally eat that cheese or any food infested with insects-- nothing is appetizing about that to me. I will not even eat from salad or buffet bars, I find that thought equally disgusting, people are sneezing, coughing, handling and it just sits there for hours on end and can easily make you ill.

[SharA2]

I read this recently and thought it would make a good topic of discussion in Bubbydoll's thread-- what is your opinion on this story and the fact people are still acting this way when we are about to enter 2012. I am personally disgusted by it.

Kentucky church bans interracial marriage



A small Kentucky church has chosen to ban marriages and even some worship services for interracial couples. The Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church, located in Pike County, made the vote in response to a longtime member who is engaged to a man whose birthplace is in Zimbabwe.

Other pastoral leaders in the area were quick to denounce the church's vote. "It's not the spirit of the community in any way, shape or form," Randy Johnson, president of the Pike County Ministerial Association, told the Lexington Herald-Leader.

The small congregation, which usually hosts about 40 members each Sunday, held the vote after longtime member Stella Harville, brought her fiancé Ticha Chikuni to church with her in June. The couple performed a song together at the church in which Chikuni sang "I Surrender All," while Harville played the piano.

Chikuni, 29, who works at Georgetown College, is black--and Harville, who was baptized at the church but is not an active member, is white. Dean Harville, Stella's father, said he was told by the church's former pastor Melvin Thompson that his daughter and her fiancé were not allowed to sing at the church again. However, Thompson recently stepped down and the church's new pastor, Stacy Stepp, said the couple was once again welcome to sing.

Stepp's decision prompted Thompson to put forth a recommendation saying that while all members are welcome at the church, it does not "condone" interracial marriage, and that any interracial couples would not be received as members or allowed to participate in worship services. The only exception? Funerals.

The Harville family has formally requested the congregation to reconsider the interracial ban, and Thompson has also said he would like to resolve the issue, the area CBS affiliate WYMT has reported.

A copy of the recommendation, obtained by WYMT, reads in part:

That the Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church does not condone interracial marriage. Parties of such marriages will not be received as members, nor will they be used in worship services and other church functions, with the exception being funerals. All are welcome to our public worship services. This recommendation is not intended to judge the salvation of anyone, but is intended to promote greater unity among the church body and the community we serve.

Members of the church held a vote on Thompson's proposed language, with nine voting in favor and six voting against. The other members in attendance chose not to vote.

Gawker notes that Pike County is 98 percent white and home to the infamous Hatfield-McCoy feud.

The Harville family doesn't see Gulnare's new policy promoting anything like unity or civil peace. "They're the people who are supposed to comfort me in times like these," Stella Harville said.

And Stella's father was much more forceful in his denunciation of the interracial ban. "It sure ain't Christian," Dean Harville said. "It ain't nothing but the old devil working."

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Hi Shar,

I saw that story on the news. I think it's a detriment to Christianity to have this kind of thing going on. The main message Jesus preached was love. Love of God, Jesus, fellow human beings, neighbors. Exclusion and racism of this sort is not Christian in my opinion. I think that couple should choose to worship and participate in services where there is no questionable activity going on. Just leave that church and don't worry about what that pastor thinks. Obviously other churches in the area do not feel that way, which is wonderful, so yeah just move on to a happy, loving, and accepting congregation.

[SharA2]

Hello, KRSTY. I read this and it makes your heart sink, and lose faith in humanity a bit that people can still be so racist and bigoted. And if you start to feel anger and hate for people like that pastor you are seen as bad, but he should not be a pastor of any church-- I feel his church probably ousted from his place of power in that church and he did not step down willingly, he most likely felt he did no wrong-- but the church is so fearful of any more bad press that is why he was removed. He definitely is making up his own rules and not following what Jesus preached. The fact that men like this have any influence over the minds of small children is horrible, it just teaches a new generation it is okay to hate others, and it is not okay.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Totally agree with you Shar.

Another interesting thing I learned about last year is regarding the Mormon Church. In their manual for training their young Missionaries is a page regarding homosexuality. It has a part where the church can help young men to overcome their Gay tendencies by using SHOCK TREATMENT! Can you believe this? They think they can shock away the gay. Unbelievable! Makes me sick to think about it. They may have changed the manual by now, but it was on page 17 I believe.

[Dorn]

@SharA2: According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Kentucky has fifteen active hate groups. And considering the lingering presence of the Ku Klux Klan in Kentucky's rural areas, the Baptist congregation may be a proxy (under its current stewardship).

[misha666]

@Shar- yes things like that make me sick and very sad for some people that have to be treated and discriminated againts that way.
That will never end because there will always be haters in this sad world of ours.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Hi everyone....I have a question for you all. Why is it every month there is some crazy post regarding some brand name merchandise and references to some Asian person that went to jail? Today the letters were all scrambled and it mentions Ralph Lauren and another one mentions a different designer. Anyone have an idea what that is all about. It seems like code or something.
Thanks,
KRSTY

[tropicalheatwave]

^^ i have no clue whats it about but yeah i've noticed the same thing. it is a bit annoying.

[Nostalgic]

@ shar, your right 2012 and people are still so small minded. It's really sad.

[Bubbydoll]

I enjoyed seeing everyone's replies to the grandparents question, aw, bless. When I think of my nanny it makes me happy, still always close by. I forgot to add another thing I was taught by my dad's dad, it was never smoke, EVER! It was horrible what he went through at the end of his life. I think that made me dad stop smoking as well.

Can men and women ever really be just friends?

Yes, a lot of my friends are males and nothing fishy is going on, I do not even think of them any different than my female friends, we all get on and joke. I do find it hard to remain friendly with any of my exes, one has died but with the other two, nopes. We dated and when that ended I ended all contact, to me that is for the best.

@ Bubby- Hey, hun. Great thread, liked last one, this one appears to be more focused. I did read end of other thread, don't get why they locked it.
I have got some really thoughtful, insightful replies on my dream, probably moreso than if I posted it in the dream section.
I'm real grateful. This dream was bugging me. Appreciate the dream info you posted me, interesting on Carl Jung's take. Last one says if an eagle is seen perched high it means fame and fortune, but mine was perched low on a rock, does that mean tough times ahead, or I worry there will be tough times?

This one does not have listed participants like the other, but the other was created during the pedo-gate business and served a completely different purpose. It was locked because of in fighting, I was told and later was told from others it was locked due to pettiness.
Post as many dreams as you would like in here, ask questions too, anything you or anyone else wants to discuss is welcomed.
Maybe it means YOU feel tough times will be ahead from you, only you know your life and your experiences now, I loved reading the interpretations given on your dream.

I don't like the church makes kids watch that stuff, shuts them off and forces them to be worried or scared to obey.

You were smart to rebel against it, more should. It's all creepy.

They had us repent our sins too before the age of twelve I think, in front of the whole congregation... I didn't even have any sins then, hardly see the good in that.
You do not have to worship in a church to talk with and love God, I knew that even then and so I left.

[Bubbydoll]

People please dont be mad at me for asking this but do any of you think that Breaking Dawn and all the twilight series is making history now and that we will still talk about it 50 yrs from now like how we talk about Elvis and Marelyn Moroe? ***flinches a little and ducks down waiting for a tomatoe to be thrown at me**

Aw, you are so adorable. I do not know, it isn't my type of movie, even though I fell prey to the first one, haha. Curiousity got the better of me. Maybe for pop culture it might be remembered, lots of people love the books and movies, but no where near how Marilyn, Elvis, James Dean etc will be remembered. Not even in the same class of stars, imo. Gone with the Wind or a Twilight movie? One is fluff, other is a classic film.

So my questions: Do you think that this is safe to eat? Would you eat casu marzu knowing about what it can do to the intestines? Do you think anybody should be eating it, knowing what these insects can do? What are some of the other foods and drinks that you think shouldn't be made, sold, or eaten?

Haha, seriously, people eat this? No it is not safe or desirable to eat and no I would not eat it, I have a very quick gag reflex and I can only imagine how ripe and horrid that must smell, I wouldn't be able to even get close to it if it omitted an odor I wouldn't even continue eating clams ( fried) ones that was found to have worms in them. I just do not have the tummy to deal with stuff like that.

I read this recently and thought it would make a good topic of discussion in Bubbydoll's thread-- what is your opinion on this story and the fact people are still acting this way when we are about to enter 2012. I am personally disgusted by it.

Kentucky church bans interracial marriage

It is shameful and a minister teaching continued hate and segregation, tsk tsk. Get your act together down South. But by the looks of Dorn's chart, Texas and Cali and other places are not doing much better either. Wonder what the worse Provinces in Canada are for this sort of thing, I am sure it goes on plenty here too. Wonder where that minister went after, I am sure he is still ministering some flock. The couple looks happy in that piccie, bless their hearts. It is too bad others are so full of insecurities, fear and hate to ever do what is right by others. I like what you and KRSTYSTCLR said on this topic.

Hi everyone....I have a question for you all. Why is it every month there is some crazy post regarding some brand name merchandise and references to some Asian person that went to jail? Today the letters were all scrambled and it mentions Ralph Lauren and another one mentions a different designer. Anyone have an idea what that is all about. It seems like code or something.
Thanks,
KRSTY

Hi, KRSTYSTCLR
I do not see ads on the forums when I post, I use Firefox as my browser and have all the add-ons to block ads and pop ups and I use Avast and no sure if that blocks stuff as well. What are you using currently for your browser now, maybe try another one and see if it blocks it better for you?

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Hi Bubbydoll.

No I have firefox also. These are not ads, they are posts on dream moods. The user names look like this 5kbMFkKb4 not even a name, just number/letter combinations. I'm surprised you have not seen them. Anyone know what its all about?

[Bubbydoll]

Got 20 mins more to come back online, will reply back to you, KRSTY.

Ah, I understand you now, those are just spam bot posts randomly placed through out the website, they seem to now post a lot of written words, stories now to hide their spam with in it. Not like the old days when they only included the link, haha, more advanced but equally as annoying. Just report any you see and the moderator will clean them up eventually. There used to be heaps more of them 6 months ago, the admin put in a Captcha to catch them but some leak by.

[Nostalgic]

@ bubbys new question.

I think everything's possible

[jojo]

I am Catholic lol

As a Protestant I share a lot of common ground with you, but there is a cultural divide nonetheless. I have, for instance, never seen the priest (male or female) as other than a mediator, never as an authority. Moreover, penance, last rites, and "works" are as foreign to me as Muslim pilgrimage or kowtowing. Lastly, I cannot recall a single occasion in which events in the Old Testament were referred to other than as incidental references.

7,000 followers is not bad to start, crazies multiply quickly, he'll have 14,000 soon and +.

Crazies may multiply, but there are so many cults to choose from.

So if the mark isn't literal, what is it

One interpretation would be that such a follower is easily recognizable. In other words, that this kind of evil is visible for all to see ("written on your forehead"), while also being present in all things you do (having X "on your hands").

Do you think the Bible and what is written inside is real, or is storytelling?

First off, the Old Testament is the book of law for the ancient tribe of Israel; the New Testament, the book of grace, is revelatory. And, as I posted above, the New Testament is written in the form of lyric poetry, which presents the content in a specific form of storytelling/narrative.

What is the big differences between Protestants and Catholics?
I see a priest as an authority or was taught that he was, last rites gives comfort is all. My mom and aunts are VERY religious, say hey to Carrie's mom j/k

Do you think that specific guy is like a cult leader? I've seen some TV preachers who'd qualify.

So others can sense who is a follower of the antichrist even without seeing a visible mark. Maybe they will grow little horns, lol?

@Shara
That is horrible that article you posted and unfair. I have lots of friends who date outside their own race, who cares and worse a church cares about that.

Is Kentucky a state they fuck and marry their own? Bet it is, but they don't pass judgement on that.

@KRSTY
I seen them, why doesn't a mod delete and block those users?

[jojo]

Sorry I always double post, I forget things to reply on.

2012 end of world is one, thinking after the antichrist talk, that is another one, people not being racist is another, maybe my BF being honest, lol.

So many I'll have to come back and add more.

[physco kid]

I would say me getting over my fear of rejection and the 2012 talk i so do not think it will happen. As the bible says somewhere in revelations i think? NO MAN SHALL KNOW These are idiots wanting 15 minutes of fame

[tropicalheatwave]

@Buddydoll: what i believe will never happen is an end to world suffering.

@Shar: what really digust me is that people place way too much importance on religion. the whole idea of marriage just doesn't make sense. why do you need to consult a priest just to be together? why bring the law or religion into it? like what is the whole point? religion can sometimes be like a cult.

[jojo]

I agree with you, tropical on no end to world suffering, even some diseases will never be cured.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Hi Jojo,
Glad your back.
I did some research about all this talk about 2012. Basically if you google Aztec or Mayan calendar you will find a link that explains the so called end of the world prediction. The whole thing evolved out of fear that the Aztec/Mayan calendar does not indicate a year after 2012 because 2012 is the end of a LONG measurement of time based on the earths tilt and a bunch of other scientific stuff. So the last time the earth was at the tilt, axis and proximity to the sun yada, yada, was over 5000 years ago. Modern scientists have done the calculations as well and found that the Aztec/Mayans were only off by 3 or less days.
We have days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries and then this LONG measurement of 5000+ years. Then the cycle starts again.
It was interesting to read, but not enough so that I would bother doing it again.

@ Tropical,
The reason this whole controversy began about gay marriage rights was that couples that had been long time partners found that they were not entitled to make end of life decision's for their partners and things like survivor benefits and life insurance that people expected would be transferred upon their death were increasingly being denied. Also health benefits from one partners job would not cover the other partner because they were not legally considered a spouse. So the double standard began. In some states a man and woman that have lived together for X number of years can be considered as married (common law).
The same was not true for same sex couples. So a battle for equality began, and now every time a LGBT person is denied certain things, or rights, such as marriage, the right to raise children, serve openly in the military etc., there is a legal argument that they are being discriminated against.

As to Bubbydolls question...I agree there will never be peace on Earth.

[jojo]

Hi Jojo,
Glad your back.
I did some research about all this talk about 2012. Basically if you google Aztec or Mayan calendar you will find a link that explains the so called end of the world prediction. The whole thing evolved out of fear that the Aztec/Mayan calendar does not indicate a year after 2012 because 2012 is the end of a LONG measurement of time based on the earths tilt and a bunch of other scientific stuff. So the last time the earth was at the tilt, axis and proximity to the sun yada, yada, was over 5000 years ago. Modern scientists have done the calculations as well and found that the Aztec/Mayans were only off by 3 or less days.
We have days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries and then this LONG measurement of 5000+ years. Then the cycle starts again.
It was interesting to read, but not enough so that I would bother doing it again.

Hi and thanks
That is some cool info you posted, I love you typed "yada" too

So this 2012 WE GUNNA DIE is all because that calender stopped at 2012. I heard people believed some mothership was to return then too, that it had something to do with aliens, lol? Like the claims get more ridiculous and people go, ok plausible.

Maybe the people who believe want to die?

[tropicalheatwave]

The reason this whole controversy began about gay marriage rights

you mean interracial marriage rights, right?

so do you think people choose to get married just so they can have certain benefits?

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Sorry tropical, I was actually referring to Gay and Lesbian marriage. I'm just stressed out and tired. Sorry

Jojo, I love that cartoon! Yeah it's really freaking people out. I guess I'm too much into finding things out for myself.

[Dorn]

What is the big differences between Protestants and Catholics?

I've answered that previously in a fairly active thread.

I see a priest as an authority or was taught that he was, last rites gives comfort is all. My mom and aunts are VERY religious, say hey to Carrie's mom j/k

O_o ...

Do you think that specific guy is like a cult leader? I've seen some TV preachers who'd qualify.

That's quite hard to tell. A cult or sect is often classified as such because of its renunciation of society. A church or congregation, on the other hand, is ingrained in society through sports, education, or other forms of general outreach to the community. This guy, for all his wackiness, seems to belong to the latter classification.

So others can sense who is a follower of the antichrist even without seeing a visible mark. Maybe they will grow little horns, lol?

Well, Charles Manson carved a swastika into his forehead. But he is yesterday's news, so I'll try something freakier.

I agree with you, tropical on no end to world suffering, even some diseases will never be cured.

War, pain, suffering, starvation, disorder, etc. are the natural conditions of all living things. The contrary indications--peace, painlessness, pleasure, satisfaction, order--are the very things which highlight development in the midst of this perpetual chaos. Embrace the exceptions.

[The Atomic Mango]

every time i wish to contribute to this thread, i encounter something freaky upon entering and give up immediately.

thanks for the nightmare fuel... >_<

[tropicalheatwave]

Sorry tropical, I was actually referring to Gay and Lesbian marriage. I'm just stressed out and tired. Sorry

oh no, thats ok because you brought up something i wasn't aware of. now i'm beginning to think this is all about getting benefits and maybe that is why people choose to get married. this is why all marriage should be banned. i think if you eliminate marriage then you eliminate alot of problems. such as divorce, domestic violence, and psychological problems would be reduced dramaticly.

if this is about equal rights then they obviously chose the wrong church. like i mentioned, religion can be like a cult. it is like me joining a white supremacist group and expecting to be treated equally.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Hey Tropical,
I guess people get married for all kinds of reasons, but the idea of people not getting married is kind of interesting. I know at least 3 couples that got along much better and showed more love and kindness toward each other before getting married than after. One couple were together for 7 years before they got married, and their marriage didn't even last a year. I think you have a point there.

[Brake4Wind]

Hey Jojo- just noticed your Mayan cartoon- that is hilarious! Probably closer to the truth too!

The Mayans were fascinating as keepers of space-time and amazingly accurate! Their ability to calculate eclipses far into the future, recognizing the earth's procession/ wobble of some 21000 year cycle or our coming alignment with what they called the "dark rift" (a massive black hole at the center of the galaxy). Too bad most of the codices were destroyed by the conquistadores; we really don't know much about their "predictions" or conclusions from what remains.

I have to wonder about this pre-occupation with the end of the world too! There are so many throughout history. One was called the "great disappointment" when William Miller predicted the rapture (true believers taken from the earth) would occur before March 21, 1844. When that didn't happen he claimed that the wrong calendar was used and set a new date prior to April 18, 1844; that didn't happen either and another 'Millerite' (Samuel Snow) set an exact date of October 22, 1844. Many followers sold all their belongings in anticipation: Curious why they needed to sell their belongings for the rapture- I couldn't find an explanation for that one.

Yea, and the people who thought they would be 'saved' by aliens were from a cult called 'Heaven's Gate'. In 1997 some 39 people gathered to commit mass suicide in southern California to join that 'mothership'.

[Dorn]

... this is why all marriage should be banned. i think if you eliminate marriage then you eliminate alot of problems. such as divorce, domestic violence, and psychological problems would be reduced dramaticly.

Like decapitating oneself to cure a cold.

Keep it up, sport.

[tropicalheatwave]

Like decapitating oneself to cure a cold.

nah, more like surgery to treat a cancer.

Keep it up, sport.

thanks for the encouragement.

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

Hey Jojo- just noticed your Mayan cartoon- that is hilarious! Probably closer to the truth too!

The Mayans were fascinating as keepers of space-time and amazingly accurate! Their ability to calculate eclipses far into the future, recognizing the earth's procession/ wobble of some 21000 year cycle or our coming alignment with what they called the "dark rift" (a massive black hole at the center of the galaxy). Too bad most of the codices were destroyed by the conquistadores; we really don't know much about their "predictions" or conclusions from what remains.

I have to wonder about this pre-occupation with the end of the world too! There are so many throughout history. One was called the "great disappointment" when William Miller predicted the rapture (true believers taken from the earth) would occur before March 21, 1844. When that didn't happen he claimed that the wrong calendar was used and set a new date prior to April 18, 1844; that didn't happen either and another 'Millerite' (Samuel Snow) set an exact date of October 22, 1844. Many followers sold all their belongings in anticipation: Curious why they needed to sell their belongings for the rapture- I couldn't find an explanation for that one.

Yea, and the people who thought they would be 'saved' by aliens were from a cult called 'Heaven's Gate'. In 1997 some 39 people gathered to commit mass suicide in southern California to join that 'mothership'.

Hey Brake4wind,
Thanks for adding that much more scientific reply. I love learning about history and science, however I can not remember all those technical names and concepts. Also I remember that Heaven Gate thing. Wasn't that relating to the comet Hale Bop or something along those lines? What a bunch of nuts.

[mynameisleo]

I just found out a few days ago that the Senate just passed something called the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, and essentially, if enacted, it would allow the U.S. military to detain anyone suspected of terror indefinatley and without trial. Straight up against the Constitution. What do you guys think about this?

[KRSTYSTLCLR]

I think it's a very complicated issue, and yeah, If you've ever really read the Constitution and the stories and documents related to it, it makes one realize how far we have come and how how far from the Constitution we are today. I tried to imagine which founding father's could have foreseen the advances we have made in such a short period of time. Only Ben Franklin comes even close. Just my

[Dorn]

I just found out a few days ago that the Senate just passed something called the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, and essentially, if enacted, it would allow the U.S. military to detain anyone suspected of terror indefinatley and without trial. Straight up against the Constitution. What do you guys think about this?

Ass backwards. Time for civics class.

First off, a bill doesn't become law until it has passed both Houses of Congress, in the same writing, before being signed by the president. Secondly, and more to the point, the "shredding of the Constitution" is rather the concerted effort by leftists and liberals in Congress to tie the hands of the military and unconstitutionally constrain the president's executive powers.

In times of war, we have detained homegrown terrorists and enemy combatants without trial, and the detention has lasted for the duration of the war; this happened, for example, with individual terrorists and combatants affiliated with Nazi Germany during WWII. What the left is attempting is to make war itself a legal-domestic issue, where soldiers are supposed to surround the enemy with subpoenas and court orders. That is a farce already explored by Monty Python's Flying Circus.

Lastly, had the Sessions amendment passed, matters would have continued as previously and in accordance with over a century of American conduct at war. Thankfully, however, Obama will veto the bill unless the Sessions language is added in the Conference report.

[mynameisleo]

Alright, I thought I didn't put much detail into that post. Now I'm not saying that it's okay to use the constitution to "tie up the hands of the military", and I know it isn't a law yet, but it passed in the Senate 93 - 7. Not exactly a split descision and I don't have much faith in Congress as it is. And I'm also aware it's meant only for enemy combatants, but the criteria aren't exactly narrow, those being anyone with missing fingers, anyone with more than 7 days of food in their house, etc. Yeah, if it was enacted we'd catch terrorists, but just think how many innocent people would be arrested wrongfully. And though we've arrested people without trial before, as you mentioned, in World War II, but Nazi Germany was not the same kind of threat as Al-Quaeda. It isn't quite as clear now who the enemy is as it was back then becuase Nazi Germany had no American demographic to recruit from. I'm just concerned about collateral arrests. But yeah, I'm sure Obama won't let it through.

[JeremyM]

Jeremy...
I still believe an under-current of your relationship with your Dad was a driver of the fishing dream.

As I mentioned to you in DM, I came up with idea (guess) that possibility some shared aspect of life that you and your Dad (or even just you and your super -ego/parental side/mode of thinking) is under attack from the people you come across in life lately. Perhaps your idealism, work ethic, or spiritual convictions are under fire... and if so, please realize it is a"from within" sort of reproach.

I would throw out that you will never be your father, nor he you.

I finally got that opened and man am I glad I did, you really should re post all you told me in this thread too, it could help others with similar symbols. Thanks, tsetse.

Just when I think wow this info I am getting is great it gets better and better. Going to do the look ups after I log off here. For me it is more work ethic and values under fire. Lots of pricks who think they know better and know nothing. Ongoing crap. Nothing that directly involves my dad other than he listens to me discuss it. Gives good been there, done that advice. lolz.

I think in a way my dad longs to re visit his youth, and for myself I wish to be more comfortable in life and in the position he is in. Grass is always greener, right.

[JeremyM]

Nice reply, thanks. I think with the help I got in here this is where I will post all my dreams from now on, you just get great replies and no BS.

You're welcome.

We weren't even there to kill ducks, dream might make more sense if we were, but we only were there to fish.

Simply put, fishing--like digging or excavating--means looking for something beneath the surface. And the ducks are what appeared from the depths (unconscious) as you did this, being the unwanted side-effect of your discovery.

So I am having a tug of war with myself?

Yes, albeit a perpetual tug of war between two irreconcilable drives: one stabilizing (following your dad's lead, having a beer together, watching the eagle) and one disrupting (eruption of ducks, hunters opening fire, killing the eagle).

Every time I log on here I get more and more insight on this, I'm loving it.
My girl was sick of me wondering about this, I am sure she appreciates too, lolz.

If the ducks was the dark underbelly of this dream, would that make them the concerns in the forefront of my mind at the time of this dream? Work issues.

Mentioned a few times by me in this thread. My discovery is I need to be more clever in my dealings, not give so much away and work behind the scenes and get matters dealt with.

I thought about it and my dad is a calm force, where I am a more abrupt one and maybe doing things my way is not the best way right now.

Hey Jeremy- Thanks for the responses. You are fortunate to have the benefit of great input from so many to add to what I think has multi-layered meanings. Shar has introduced many outstanding points (freedom, adversity & adapting) so many elements relate to these things; psycho kid makes a great observation about the pun on 'sitting ducks'; Dorn makes an excellent point about the ducks representing repressed thoughts- an ability to "kill the eagle"- that's something to consider! We hate being vulnerable but the fact is- we are- even from within.

The amazing thing about dream symbols is that they can capture at a glance more than words can express and embrace more than one meaning (I think yours has). The eagle reinforces the bond between father and son. Your independence does not break this bond- it strengthens it (you toast in mutual joy). I see the eagle as low/ close to emphasize the importance of the symbol; that includes trust, unity, likeness in qualities. They are mutual qualities that you/ your father admire in each other and as the storyline develops, both hopes and fears are revealed. I think that a fundamental purpose of dreaming is for survival or the quality thereof. In the process we experience our fears and doubts as those nagging little feelings come to the surface to be examined.

I was not able to open your message to me, or read it before you deleted, was it your reply here?

I agree, I just got an incredible reply via PM's from tsetse, and yourself, Dorn, and others. Much more than I could see in my dream, that is for sure. For dreams others eyes are more helpful.

I have felt like a sitting duck[vulnerable] in my real life with several issues, if I acted the way my instincts would guide me to react I would be jailed for it. Thinking things out and rationalizing is the better option.

For a short dream it seems to have contained many powerful symbols.

Our bond is strong, I still think he wishes he could cure all and help more than he should, he does not butt in but I can tell he wants to fix.
The Eagle you feel is sharing or represents our closeness with each other? What is a good thing about the eagle dying? Does it reinforce change is not a bad thing, and even out of death good can come?


@ Shara- You are right, it goes to self discovery and all the dream insight from others is helpful to me to narrow down what I need to work on in my real life to make things how I want them to be.

I think alot of people, myself include worry about how they will come off to others, you shut your mouth for others and silence yourself and you regret it because you can't be heard if you don't speak, right on that.

[ on your racist church story- people are assholes, hun, I doubt the racists will ever go away in this world, they feel they have the right from God to spew hate, they are deranged and no reasoning with that kind, IMO.]

@ Bubby- In reading the other thread some immature comments were made and by some adults but it looked like it all settled down and was no cause for a lock, especially on a thread of its length. Forum politics, lolz, roll with the punches.

@ Bubby on What Do you Believe Will never Happen?
I don't think you can freeze a person and thaw them out to continue to live after, lolz. I'm with the ones who say crock of shit to the 2012 doomsday. I don't believe will we ever see our deceased loved ones again, outside of dreams and family photos. You die and that is it.

[misha666]

heres a question
how long do people with HIV live?
Mr. Johnson has had HIV for ever no?

[SharA2]

Totally agree with you Shar.

Another interesting thing I learned about last year is regarding the Mormon Church. In their manual for training their young Missionaries is a page regarding homosexuality. It has a part where the church can help young men to overcome their Gay tendencies by using SHOCK TREATMENT! Can you believe this? They think they can shock away the gay. Unbelievable! Makes me sick to think about it. They may have changed the manual by now, but it was on page 17 I believe.

Mormons are against homosexuality too? Shock treatment seems so barbaric. Why do people still feel it is something that can be changed and it is not just how a person is? Why are religious groups, faiths still so behind the times on that and interracial couples, and same sex couples.

@SharA2: According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Kentucky has fifteen active hate groups. And considering the lingering presence of the Ku Klux Klan in Kentucky's rural areas, the Baptist congregation may be a proxy (under its current stewardship).

Fifteen active hate groups just in that one state is shocking-- I forgot about the KKK, is that still active through out the USA, I never hear about them anymore. Look at California, Dorn and KRSTY, why would a state like that be so high, it always seemed like a free love kind of state and progressive, and with that Prop 8 and all the hate groups it makes you wonder what is happening there.

@Shara
Is Kentucky a state they fuck and marry their own? Bet it is, but they don't pass judgement on that.

that made me laugh because I think it might be.

Bubbydoll-- on your new question, I answered one in the GTKPG already but I will repeat for you in here too. I do not think a female president will ever happen, I do not think going back and trying again with my ex will ever happen, I believe I could spend years talking quietly to God and he will never answer me, I do not believe in the 2012 end of the world as others stated previously before me will happen.